But he was very reluctant
to use military force.
And I think that clearly
he wants to be the guy
that says he ended the war
between Russia and Ukraine.
And the way he intends to do it
is to call Putin
and to call Zelenskyy and say,
"You've got to freeze the conflict
where it is or else."
So what's the "or else"?
Well, if the Ukrainians
don't accept a ceasefire
and freezing the conflict where it is,
and then there'll be negotiations
of some undetermined form,
then he would cut the Ukrainians off
from any further support from the US.
So, in other words,
that's a pretty big stick
if Zelenskyy doesn’t accept it.
And it would also divide Europe.
Some Europeans would support Trump,
certainly Hungary's Orban,
and then there would be some
very difficult decision-making
made by other countries
that aren't on the front lines,
like Poland, the Baltics and the Nordics,
who would definitely oppose Trump,