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about before this all happened

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I don't know we're all trying to figure

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out new things together by not touching

out new things together by not touching your face like I just did I'm still by

your face like I just did I'm still by

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like we're going to do this for a while

like we're going to do this for a while yet we thought it'd be good to share

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Walters Helen where are you hi great to

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strategic direction Helen it's been

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great working with you you do swear a

great working with you you do swear a lot you promised me that maybe live here

lot you promised me that maybe live here

lot you promised me that maybe live here you're you may succeed in controlling

you're you may succeed in controlling

you're you may succeed in controlling that but we'll see now I make no

that but we'll see now I make no

that but we'll see now I make no promises at all

promises at all

promises at all not a one oh how are you how have you

not a one oh how are you how have you

not a one oh how are you how have you survived

survived

survived we can want you what what struck you

we can want you what what struck you

we can want you what what struck you this weekend about this hope is our

this weekend about this hope is our

this weekend about this hope is our situation we're in

situation we're in

situation we're in I mean bizarre cold bizarre situation is

I mean bizarre cold bizarre situation is

I mean bizarre cold bizarre situation is right I am in Brooklyn I am here with my

right I am in Brooklyn I am here with my

right I am in Brooklyn I am here with my family

family

family and we had a very quiet weekend the

and we had a very quiet weekend the

and we had a very quiet weekend the social distancing measures are in place

social distancing measures are in place

social distancing measures are in place as I went to the pharmacy this weekend

as I went to the pharmacy this weekend

as I went to the pharmacy this weekend and you see they taped out moments on

and you see they taped out moments on

and you see they taped out moments on the street where you can stand but it

the street where you can stand but it

the street where you can stand but it was pretty quiet here I actually stayed

was pretty quiet here I actually stayed

was pretty quiet here I actually stayed away from the news as much as possible I

away from the news as much as possible I

away from the news as much as possible I kind of can't really handle read in the

kind of can't really handle read in the

kind of can't really handle read in the news so I'm getting news via various

news so I'm getting news via various

news so I'm getting news via various groups that I'm in and also I'm noticing

groups that I'm in and also I'm noticing

groups that I'm in and also I'm noticing whenever whenever a news announcement is

whenever whenever a news announcement is

whenever whenever a news announcement is made there'll be a flurry of incoming

made there'll be a flurry of incoming

made there'll be a flurry of incoming texts and communications from my family

texts and communications from my family

texts and communications from my family in England and elsewhere of like

in England and elsewhere of like

in England and elsewhere of like everything okay how you doing

everything okay how you doing

everything okay how you doing and so I'm trying to keep my sanity that

and so I'm trying to keep my sanity that

and so I'm trying to keep my sanity that way but how about you well I mean

way but how about you well I mean

way but how about you well I mean unfortunately haven't been giving our

unfortunately haven't been giving our

unfortunately haven't been giving our friend the news and it doesn't make you

friend the news and it doesn't make you

friend the news and it doesn't make you lots of emotions of leading and going

lots of emotions of leading and going

lots of emotions of leading and going clipping frustration including some hope

clipping frustration including some hope

clipping frustration including some hope like there seems to be some kind of

like there seems to be some kind of

like there seems to be some kind of consensus emerging among many experts as

consensus emerging among many experts as

consensus emerging among many experts as far as I can see of you know how

far as I can see of you know how

far as I can see of you know how countries can tackle this you know it's

countries can tackle this you know it's

countries can tackle this you know it's some form of shut down really hard

some form of shut down really hard

some form of shut down really hard probably for at least two months but

probably for at least two months but

probably for at least two months but then you can probably bring people back

then you can probably bring people back

then you can probably bring people back to us so long as you have massive

to us so long as you have massive

to us so long as you have massive testing available so that you can

testing available so that you can

testing available so that you can quickly find out if someone's sick live

quickly find out if someone's sick live

quickly find out if someone's sick live that in the bud and then maybe also

that in the bud and then maybe also

that in the bud and then maybe also there's a change in conversation about

there's a change in conversation about

there's a change in conversation about face masks as well which is interesting

face masks as well which is interesting

face masks as well which is interesting in that like we were all told in the

in that like we were all told in the

in that like we were all told in the West don't don't bother with them

West don't don't bother with them

West don't don't bother with them they're not they don't really help you

they're not they don't really help you

they're not they don't really help you then I'll protect you dudes like there's

then I'll protect you dudes like there's

then I'll protect you dudes like there's a lot of people shifting on that now

a lot of people shifting on that now

a lot of people shifting on that now that as a group if we wear them we

that as a group if we wear them we

that as a group if we wear them we reduce the chances of spreading the bug

reduce the chances of spreading the bug

reduce the chances of spreading the bug that certainly seems to have played a

that certainly seems to have played a

that certainly seems to have played a role in in Asia anyway that'll be an

role in in Asia anyway that'll be an

role in in Asia anyway that'll be an interesting conversation for a future

interesting conversation for a future

interesting conversation for a future one of these but I am now going to get

one of these but I am now going to get

one of these but I am now going to get out of your hair and let you introduce

out of your hair and let you introduce

out of your hair and let you introduce today's extraordinary guests so do you

today's extraordinary guests so do you

today's extraordinary guests so do you see one agent thank you so much for

see one agent thank you so much for

see one agent thank you so much for getting out of my hair Chris I've been

getting out of my hair Chris I've been

getting out of my hair Chris I've been waiting for that moment for some time

waiting for that moment for some time

waiting for that moment for some time Allah at last so it gives me great

Allah at last so it gives me great

Allah at last so it gives me great pleasure to welcome our guest today he

pleasure to welcome our guest today he

pleasure to welcome our guest today he is a spiritual leader he's the four

is a spiritual leader he's the four

is a spiritual leader he's the four Chief Rabbi of the United debreu

Chief Rabbi of the United debreu

Chief Rabbi of the United debreu congregations of the Commonwealth so I

congregations of the Commonwealth so I

congregations of the Commonwealth so I had to read that to check I didn't get

had to read that to check I didn't get

had to read that to check I didn't get it wrong he's a writer

it wrong he's a writer

it wrong he's a writer he's a thinker he's a moral leader he's

he's a thinker he's a moral leader he's

he's a thinker he's a moral leader he's just an all-round wonderful person I

just an all-round wonderful person I

just an all-round wonderful person I have had the pleasure of working with

have had the pleasure of working with

have had the pleasure of working with him on his TED talk back in 2017 I'd

him on his TED talk back in 2017 I'd

him on his TED talk back in 2017 I'd love to welcome rabbi sacks Alan it's

love to welcome rabbi sacks Alan it's

love to welcome rabbi sacks Alan it's great to be with you sorry it's in these

great to be with you sorry it's in these

great to be with you sorry it's in these circumstances I'm equally sorry but you

circumstances I'm equally sorry but you

circumstances I'm equally sorry but you know somehow the technology has arrived

know somehow the technology has arrived

know somehow the technology has arrived at exactly the right time for us to stay

at exactly the right time for us to stay

at exactly the right time for us to stay in touch

in touch

in touch virtually if not physically and this is

virtually if not physically and this is

virtually if not physically and this is one of the things you do at Ted

one of the things you do at Ted

one of the things you do at Ted reach out to so many people and connect

reach out to so many people and connect

reach out to so many people and connect them with one another well we're so

them with one another well we're so

them with one another well we're so grateful that you can join us where

grateful that you can join us where

grateful that you can join us where exactly are you right now and most

exactly are you right now and most

exactly are you right now and most importantly how are you well I'm in my

importantly how are you well I'm in my

importantly how are you well I'm in my study in our home in golden screen on

study in our home in golden screen on

study in our home in golden screen on the edge of the Jewish ghetto and doing

the edge of the Jewish ghetto and doing

the edge of the Jewish ghetto and doing fine actually I kind of you know and I'm

fine actually I kind of you know and I'm

fine actually I kind of you know and I'm used to being the lonely man of faith

used to being the lonely man of faith

used to being the lonely man of faith kind of thing so you know in a sense I

kind of thing so you know in a sense I

kind of thing so you know in a sense I am used to it but hearing the real real

am used to it but hearing the real real

am used to it but hearing the real real pain of our community and of the country

pain of our community and of the country

pain of our community and of the country going through this terrible ordeal yeah

going through this terrible ordeal yeah

going through this terrible ordeal yeah it's real so back in 2017 you opened

it's real so back in 2017 you opened

it's real so back in 2017 you opened your TED talk with a quote from Thomas

your TED talk with a quote from Thomas

your TED talk with a quote from Thomas Paine referring to these at the times

Paine referring to these at the times

Paine referring to these at the times that try men's souls and pain of course

that try men's souls and pain of course

that try men's souls and pain of course was referring to British tyranny in the

was referring to British tyranny in the

was referring to British tyranny in the 18th century and you were referring to

18th century and you were referring to

18th century and you were referring to divided political times in the 21st it's

divided political times in the 21st it's

divided political times in the 21st it's it's not really a stretch sadly to shift

it's not really a stretch sadly to shift

it's not really a stretch sadly to shift that from politics to the pandemic but I

that from politics to the pandemic but I

that from politics to the pandemic but I wonder can you give us a sense of what

wonder can you give us a sense of what

wonder can you give us a sense of what you make of these times and more

you make of these times and more

you make of these times and more importantly well you make of our

importantly well you make of our

importantly well you make of our response to these times well I apologize

response to these times well I apologize

response to these times well I apologize for 1776 I really do apologize

for 1776 I really do apologize

for 1776 I really do apologize lin-manuel Miranda got his own back

lin-manuel Miranda got his own back

lin-manuel Miranda got his own back deftly and beautifully done I think this

deftly and beautifully done I think this

deftly and beautifully done I think this is a traumatic time for the entire globe

is a traumatic time for the entire globe

is a traumatic time for the entire globe and people are going through every

and people are going through every

and people are going through every dimension of suffering there is physical

dimension of suffering there is physical

dimension of suffering there is physical psychological economic the uncertainty

psychological economic the uncertainty

psychological economic the uncertainty and anxiety about the future they're not

and anxiety about the future they're not

and anxiety about the future they're not knowing how long the pandemic will last

knowing how long the pandemic will last

knowing how long the pandemic will last they're not knowing how and when or if

they're not knowing how and when or if

they're not knowing how and when or if the economy will ever get back in shape

the economy will ever get back in shape

the economy will ever get back in shape again these are horrific times these are

again these are horrific times these are

again these are horrific times these are a collective trauma and the real

a collective trauma and the real

a collective trauma and the real distinction is between events that you

distinction is between events that you

distinction is between events that you live through and events that change you

live through and events that change you

live through and events that change you and I'm hoping that this will come under

and I'm hoping that this will come under

and I'm hoping that this will come under the second category because they really

the second category because they really

the second category because they really ought to changes it's not as if we were

ought to changes it's not as if we were

ought to changes it's not as if we were in great shape just before all this

in great shape just before all this

in great shape just before all this began Lobley we weren't nationally we

began Lobley we weren't nationally we

began Lobley we weren't nationally we weren't our politics were dysfunctional

weren't our politics were dysfunctional

weren't our politics were dysfunctional our economics for inequitable and

our economics for inequitable and

our economics for inequitable and sometimes iniquitous so we were in a bad

sometimes iniquitous so we were in a bad

sometimes iniquitous so we were in a bad place and now we've come through a bad

place and now we've come through a bad

place and now we've come through a bad experience together I think there will

experience together I think there will

experience together I think there will be a collective resolve to move to a

be a collective resolve to move to a

be a collective resolve to move to a better place in the future do you wrote

better place in the future do you wrote

better place in the future do you wrote a piece at the weekend talking about the

a piece at the weekend talking about the

a piece at the weekend talking about the how the response to the corona virus

how the response to the corona virus

how the response to the corona virus could in fact be similar to the response

could in fact be similar to the response

could in fact be similar to the response we saw after World War two and in

we saw after World War two and in

we saw after World War two and in Britain of course the that response

Britain of course the that response

Britain of course the that response included the launch of the National

included the launch of the National

included the launch of the National Health Service which there's something I

Health Service which there's something I

Health Service which there's something I think many countries are sorely in need

think many countries are sorely in need

think many countries are sorely in need of today but if you had your druthers

of today but if you had your druthers

of today but if you had your druthers how would you see leaders step up to

how would you see leaders step up to

how would you see leaders step up to both deal with the pandemic in its

both deal with the pandemic in its

both deal with the pandemic in its moment and then also in its aftermath

moment and then also in its aftermath

moment and then also in its aftermath what would you like to see the leaders

what would you like to see the leaders

what would you like to see the leaders leaders do well don't forget this

leaders do well don't forget this

leaders do well don't forget this there's a difference between two kinds

there's a difference between two kinds

there's a difference between two kinds of leadership the leadership that gets

of leadership the leadership that gets

of leadership the leadership that gets you through the crisis and the

you through the crisis and the

you through the crisis and the leadership that rebuilds after the

leadership that rebuilds after the

leadership that rebuilds after the crisis one of the strangest phenomena of

crisis one of the strangest phenomena of

crisis one of the strangest phenomena of all was the fact that Winston Churchill

all was the fact that Winston Churchill

all was the fact that Winston Churchill whom everyone knew had

whom everyone knew had

whom everyone knew had can Britain triumphantly through World

can Britain triumphantly through World

can Britain triumphantly through World War two was not elected as Prime

War two was not elected as Prime

War two was not elected as Prime Minister mediately after the war yes he

Minister mediately after the war yes he

Minister mediately after the war yes he was a great leader for war he was not

was a great leader for war he was not

was a great leader for war he was not necessarily a great leader for peace I

necessarily a great leader for peace I

necessarily a great leader for peace I don't think any political leader in the

don't think any political leader in the

don't think any political leader in the world right now has a mind to think long

world right now has a mind to think long

world right now has a mind to think long and therefore they will get through the

and therefore they will get through the

and therefore they will get through the crisis living from day to day being

crisis living from day to day being

crisis living from day to day being guided by scientific experts and we've

guided by scientific experts and we've

guided by scientific experts and we've seen the rebirth of respect for

seen the rebirth of respect for

seen the rebirth of respect for expertise which is not unimportant but I

expertise which is not unimportant but I

expertise which is not unimportant but I hope a new kind of political leader is

hope a new kind of political leader is

hope a new kind of political leader is about to emerge the young people who

about to emerge the young people who

about to emerge the young people who really will be changed by this I don't

really will be changed by this I don't

really will be changed by this I don't say I've got to give back and the first

say I've got to give back and the first

say I've got to give back and the first thing they have to look at is a National

thing they have to look at is a National

thing they have to look at is a National Health Service I mean we in Britain know

Health Service I mean we in Britain know

Health Service I mean we in Britain know the National Health Service is being

the National Health Service is being

the National Health Service is being overwhelmed at the moment but to think

overwhelmed at the moment but to think

overwhelmed at the moment but to think that 27 million Americans don't have

that 27 million Americans don't have

that 27 million Americans don't have health care don't have health insurance

health care don't have health insurance

health care don't have health insurance I mean I'm sorry that is morally

I mean I'm sorry that is morally

I mean I'm sorry that is morally unintelligible to me and so somehow or

unintelligible to me and so somehow or

unintelligible to me and so somehow or other we need a new politics but the day

other we need a new politics but the day

other we need a new politics but the day after and this will come from places

after and this will come from places

after and this will come from places we're not expecting they certainly not

we're not expecting they certainly not

we're not expecting they certainly not going to come from the existing

going to come from the existing

going to come from the existing political leadership but I think that

political leadership but I think that

political leadership but I think that they will have to look at it they'll

they will have to look at it they'll

they will have to look at it they'll also have to have to look at the economy

also have to have to look at the economy

also have to have to look at the economy as well first of all we were building up

as well first of all we were building up

as well first of all we were building up an unsustainable level of individual and

an unsustainable level of individual and

an unsustainable level of individual and national debt anyway and all of that is

national debt anyway and all of that is

national debt anyway and all of that is seeing companies collapsing all over the

seeing companies collapsing all over the

seeing companies collapsing all over the world

world

world it was untenable before this happened

it was untenable before this happened

it was untenable before this happened and finally we're seeing an American

and finally we're seeing an American

and finally we're seeing an American president you know sending out checks to

president you know sending out checks to

president you know sending out checks to people the beginning of what you've

people the beginning of what you've

people the beginning of what you've spoken about in Ted before you've had

spoken about in Ted before you've had

spoken about in Ted before you've had speakers dealing with this a guaranteed

speakers dealing with this a guaranteed

speakers dealing with this a guaranteed basic income who knows if that's what I

basic income who knows if that's what I

basic income who knows if that's what I gained to emerge from it new things are

gained to emerge from it new things are

gained to emerge from it new things are going to emerge no existing leader is

going to emerge no existing leader is

going to emerge no existing leader is going to have the headspace to see this

going to have the headspace to see this

going to have the headspace to see this but I expect a new kind of political

but I expect a new kind of political

but I expect a new kind of political leadership to emerge in every country

leadership to emerge in every country

leadership to emerge in every country where people have really taken this to

where people have really taken this to

where people have really taken this to heart

heart

heart and I suppose the problem is that we

and I suppose the problem is that we

and I suppose the problem is that we know one cannot take this to heart right

know one cannot take this to heart right

know one cannot take this to heart right this is really impacting everybody and

this is really impacting everybody and

this is really impacting everybody and some of what's alarming about some of

some of what's alarming about some of

some of what's alarming about some of the antagonistic rhetoric that we're

the antagonistic rhetoric that we're

the antagonistic rhetoric that we're seeing say between the US and China or

seeing say between the US and China or

seeing say between the US and China or you know national leaders trying to

you know national leaders trying to

you know national leaders trying to close their borders or look inwards is

close their borders or look inwards is

close their borders or look inwards is that the virus doesn't care about

that the virus doesn't care about

that the virus doesn't care about borders it doesn't care about anything

borders it doesn't care about anything

borders it doesn't care about anything I'm interested in do you see any grass

I'm interested in do you see any grass

I'm interested in do you see any grass roots or shoots of this type of

roots or shoots of this type of

roots or shoots of this type of leadership emerging or has anything have

leadership emerging or has anything have

leadership emerging or has anything have you seen anything that's given you hope

you seen anything that's given you hope

you seen anything that's given you hope that this might emerge or that maybe

that this might emerge or that maybe

that this might emerge or that maybe there are people who might even be able

there are people who might even be able

there are people who might even be able to overtake some of the national leaders

to overtake some of the national leaders

to overtake some of the national leaders who are who are maybe not doing what we

who are who are maybe not doing what we

who are who are maybe not doing what we might think of as the best job

might think of as the best job

might think of as the best job look I when I was a student which is an

look I when I was a student which is an

look I when I was a student which is an awfully long time ago the early Jurassic

awfully long time ago the early Jurassic

awfully long time ago the early Jurassic age we had 767 the Six Day War I'm

age we had 767 the Six Day War I'm

age we had 767 the Six Day War I'm Jewish we had this nightmare and the

Jewish we had this nightmare and the

Jewish we had this nightmare and the weeks leading up to it we who had been

weeks leading up to it we who had been

weeks leading up to it we who had been born after the Holocaust with thinking

born after the Holocaust with thinking

born after the Holocaust with thinking given NASA's threats that we were about

given NASA's threats that we were about

given NASA's threats that we were about to witness another whole course now that

to witness another whole course now that

to witness another whole course now that happened in my first year at university

happened in my first year at university

happened in my first year at university I think if it hadn't happened I would be

I think if it hadn't happened I would be

I think if it hadn't happened I would be an accountant I realize you know the

an accountant I realize you know the

an accountant I realize you know the world has changed we can't you can't go

world has changed we can't you can't go

world has changed we can't you can't go through an experience like that and stay

through an experience like that and stay

through an experience like that and stay the same so it happens to people when

the same so it happens to people when

the same so it happens to people when they say you know we can't go back to

they say you know we can't go back to

they say you know we can't go back to the way things were so I do see this

the way things were so I do see this

the way things were so I do see this happening I do not think the political

happening I do not think the political

happening I do not think the political leadership of let's say the United

leadership of let's say the United

leadership of let's say the United States and China are behaving terribly

States and China are behaving terribly

States and China are behaving terribly responsibly if the world is suffering

responsibly if the world is suffering

responsibly if the world is suffering now's not the time to play ping pong for

now's not the time to play ping pong for

now's not the time to play ping pong for years now about the need for a balance

years now about the need for a balance

years now about the need for a balance between rights and responsibilities and

between rights and responsibilities and

between rights and responsibilities and I wonder how do you define our personal

I wonder how do you define our personal

I wonder how do you define our personal responsibility in this moment I think

responsibility in this moment I think

responsibility in this moment I think good

good

good to ask I know it's a difficult one is

to ask I know it's a difficult one is

to ask I know it's a difficult one is what does this moment ask of me that it

what does this moment ask of me that it

what does this moment ask of me that it wouldn't have done at some other time so

wouldn't have done at some other time so

wouldn't have done at some other time so I'm doing stuff that I never did before

I'm doing stuff that I never did before

I'm doing stuff that I never did before I'm using I'm using FaceTime live I'm

I'm using I'm using FaceTime live I'm

I'm using I'm using FaceTime live I'm using zoom I never heard of zoom before

using zoom I never heard of zoom before

using zoom I never heard of zoom before I'm using every means of communication I

I'm using every means of communication I

I'm using every means of communication I can to communicate to as many people as

can to communicate to as many people as

can to communicate to as many people as possible at different level and that is

possible at different level and that is

possible at different level and that is what I hear me being called to our

what I hear me being called to our

what I hear me being called to our neighbors are doing incredible things

neighbors are doing incredible things

neighbors are doing incredible things just being neighborly because we've got

just being neighborly because we've got

just being neighborly because we've got old people living alone here and they're

old people living alone here and they're

old people living alone here and they're just knocking on the doors of getting in

just knocking on the doors of getting in

just knocking on the doors of getting in touch with them and so on just listen to

touch with them and so on just listen to

touch with them and so on just listen to the call what does this moment ask of me

the call what does this moment ask of me

the call what does this moment ask of me why was I put in this place at this time

why was I put in this place at this time

why was I put in this place at this time I love that and I think it's one of the

I love that and I think it's one of the

I love that and I think it's one of the things that has been heartening about

things that has been heartening about

things that has been heartening about this crisis is seeing how the community

this crisis is seeing how the community

this crisis is seeing how the community steps up I'm in Brooklyn and New York

steps up I'm in Brooklyn and New York

steps up I'm in Brooklyn and New York and just seeing how people are leaving

and just seeing how people are leaving

and just seeing how people are leaving notes for neighbors and just checking in

notes for neighbors and just checking in

notes for neighbors and just checking in to see if they're okay or if they need

to see if they're okay or if they need

to see if they're okay or if they need anything if we can you know those who

anything if we can you know those who

anything if we can you know those who are able to go out to the pharmacy or

are able to go out to the pharmacy or

are able to go out to the pharmacy or whatever can go pick something up it

whatever can go pick something up it

whatever can go pick something up it kind of is heartening even though we're

kind of is heartening even though we're

kind of is heartening even though we're all scared you know everybody is

all scared you know everybody is

all scared you know everybody is frightened of kind of what's happening

frightened of kind of what's happening

frightened of kind of what's happening and what's to come and it's this weird

and what's to come and it's this weird

and what's to come and it's this weird hinterland that we're all in where you

hinterland that we're all in where you

hinterland that we're all in where you know you kind of know that a crisis is

know you kind of know that a crisis is

know you kind of know that a crisis is coming even if it hasn't hit but we're

coming even if it hasn't hit but we're

coming even if it hasn't hit but we're seeing the news and seeing the

seeing the news and seeing the

seeing the news and seeing the overwhelmed you know health services do

overwhelmed you know health services do

overwhelmed you know health services do you as a spiritual leader I'm sorry go

you as a spiritual leader I'm sorry go

you as a spiritual leader I'm sorry go ahead

ahead

ahead no I was just going to say my my one of

no I was just going to say my my one of

no I was just going to say my my one of our grandchildren our eight year old

our grandchildren our eight year old

our grandchildren our eight year old granddaughter decided on her own the

granddaughter decided on her own the

granddaughter decided on her own the knock on the doors of all the houses in

knock on the doors of all the houses in

knock on the doors of all the houses in her Street keeping her social distance

her Street keeping her social distance

her Street keeping her social distance and when the door is open saying we live

and when the door is open saying we live

and when the door is open saying we live at number 12 if you need anything come

at number 12 if you need anything come

at number 12 if you need anything come and knock at our door and I thought you

and knock at our door and I thought you

and knock at our door and I thought you know that's what an eight-year-old does

know that's what an eight-year-old does

know that's what an eight-year-old does spontaneously I'm feeling quite proud at

spontaneously I'm feeling quite proud at

spontaneously I'm feeling quite proud at the moment

but I think that the there's a universal

but I think that the there's a universal

but I think that the there's a universal fear that everyone is experiencing even

fear that everyone is experiencing even

fear that everyone is experiencing even if they're not experiencing in the same

if they're not experiencing in the same

if they're not experiencing in the same way and and fear can be paralyzing do

way and and fear can be paralyzing do

way and and fear can be paralyzing do you in your experience what what advice

you in your experience what what advice

you in your experience what what advice do you have for people who are trying to

do you have for people who are trying to

do you have for people who are trying to overcome that fear who are trying to

overcome that fear who are trying to

overcome that fear who are trying to kind of live in the communal space and

kind of live in the communal space and

kind of live in the communal space and not just retreat to themselves well look

not just retreat to themselves well look

not just retreat to themselves well look I mean the thing to do is to reach out

I mean the thing to do is to reach out

I mean the thing to do is to reach out in any way that you can because we know

in any way that you can because we know

in any way that you can because we know that reaching out and helping someone

that reaching out and helping someone

that reaching out and helping someone makes you feel better makes you feel

makes you feel better makes you feel

makes you feel better makes you feel more confident boosts your immune system

more confident boosts your immune system

more confident boosts your immune system speeds your recovery from any illness

speeds your recovery from any illness

speeds your recovery from any illness huge amount of research has been done on

huge amount of research has been done on

huge amount of research has been done on the health benefits of altruism and and

the health benefits of altruism and and

the health benefits of altruism and and sometimes it's nothing but a smile at a

sometimes it's nothing but a smile at a

sometimes it's nothing but a smile at a passerby at six or eight feet distance

passerby at six or eight feet distance

passerby at six or eight feet distance sometimes it's nothing

sometimes it's nothing

sometimes it's nothing sometimes it's sharing a funny story on

sometimes it's sharing a funny story on

sometimes it's sharing a funny story on whatsapp you know we had some friends we

whatsapp you know we had some friends we

whatsapp you know we had some friends we went on a holiday with got twenty two

went on a holiday with got twenty two

went on a holiday with got twenty two twenty three friends we went on a

twenty three friends we went on a

twenty three friends we went on a holiday in New Zealand a few months ago

holiday in New Zealand a few months ago

holiday in New Zealand a few months ago they live all over the world and they've

they live all over the world and they've

they live all over the world and they've been bombarding one another with little

been bombarding one another with little

been bombarding one another with little photographs and videos and stuff and so

photographs and videos and stuff and so

photographs and videos and stuff and so on that everyone has found a way of

on that everyone has found a way of

on that everyone has found a way of getting out of their confinement

getting out of their confinement

getting out of their confinement you know I there's a line in Psalms you

you know I there's a line in Psalms you

you know I there's a line in Psalms you know I animates a karateka I called you

know I animates a karateka I called you

know I animates a karateka I called you God from my confinement and you answered

God from my confinement and you answered

God from my confinement and you answered me with expenses sometimes those

me with expenses sometimes those

me with expenses sometimes those expenses just psychological but knowing

expenses just psychological but knowing

expenses just psychological but knowing that you've communicated with somebody

that you've communicated with somebody

that you've communicated with somebody made someone smile that's all you have

made someone smile that's all you have

made someone smile that's all you have to do how do you so you've written a lot

to do how do you so you've written a lot

to do how do you so you've written a lot we talked about it in your talk and

we talked about it in your talk and

we talked about it in your talk and you've written about it in your latest

you've written about it in your latest

you've written about it in your latest book about the need to move from I to we

book about the need to move from I to we

book about the need to move from I to we and I have a couple of questions around

and I have a couple of questions around

and I have a couple of questions around this but first of all I wonder if you

this but first of all I wonder if you

this but first of all I wonder if you can describe exactly what you mean by

can describe exactly what you mean by

can describe exactly what you mean by that shift I mean that any social animal

that shift I mean that any social animal

that shift I mean that any social animal needs to be able to do two things

needs to be able to do two things

needs to be able to do two things needs to engage in competition and

needs to engage in competition and

needs to engage in competition and cooperation without competition die

cooperation without competition die

cooperation without competition die without cooperation you can't have a

without cooperation you can't have a

without cooperation you can't have a group you can't have a society and we

group you can't have a society and we

group you can't have a society and we cannot survive on top we have today two

cannot survive on top we have today two

cannot survive on top we have today two very powerful arenas of competition the

very powerful arenas of competition the

very powerful arenas of competition the market and the state politics and

market and the state politics and

market and the state politics and economically the market competition for

economically the market competition for

economically the market competition for wealth the state competition for power

wealth the state competition for power

wealth the state competition for power but what we've been losing is our arenas

but what we've been losing is our arenas

but what we've been losing is our arenas of cooperation families communities

of cooperation families communities

of cooperation families communities charities volunteering and all the rest

charities volunteering and all the rest

charities volunteering and all the rest of it those things where you search not

of it those things where you search not

of it those things where you search not for self-interest but for the common

for self-interest but for the common

for self-interest but for the common good those things have been weakening

good those things have been weakening

good those things have been weakening over the past several decades and the

over the past several decades and the

over the past several decades and the end result is societies become much more

end result is societies become much more

end result is societies become much more abrasive and unequal and so therefore

abrasive and unequal and so therefore

abrasive and unequal and so therefore how do we move away from that I mean do

how do we move away from that I mean do

how do we move away from that I mean do we did we need to have such a shift such

we did we need to have such a shift such

we did we need to have such a shift such a seismic shift such as this in order to

a seismic shift such as this in order to

a seismic shift such as this in order to shake us out of our kind of complacency

shake us out of our kind of complacency

shake us out of our kind of complacency well I always make sure we observe the

well I always make sure we observe the

well I always make sure we observe the difference by between asking why is this

difference by between asking why is this

difference by between asking why is this happened and what then should we do

happened and what then should we do

happened and what then should we do right this has not happened in order to

right this has not happened in order to

right this has not happened in order to make us we conscious it did not happen

make us we conscious it did not happen

make us we conscious it did not happen in order to boost the sales of my leg at

in order to boost the sales of my leg at

in order to boost the sales of my leg at his book the virus mutates that's how it

his book the virus mutates that's how it

his book the virus mutates that's how it things happen so I'm not asking why this

things happen so I'm not asking why this

things happen so I'm not asking why this happened I'm saying now that this has

happened I'm saying now that this has

happened I'm saying now that this has happened let us really see if it is

happened let us really see if it is

happened let us really see if it is unleashed let energies as it has because

unleashed let energies as it has because

unleashed let energies as it has because communities have grown up I mean virtual

communities have grown up I mean virtual

communities have grown up I mean virtual communities have grown up at a speed

communities have grown up at a speed

communities have grown up at a speed that nobody ever thought they would

that nobody ever thought they would

that nobody ever thought they would happen the National Health Service asked

happen the National Health Service asked

happen the National Health Service asked for volunteers to be health auxiliaries

for volunteers to be health auxiliaries

for volunteers to be health auxiliaries they had over half a million volunteers

they had over half a million volunteers

they had over half a million volunteers in one day now you know that's quite

in one day now you know that's quite

in one day now you know that's quite something we have a we have a

something we have a we have a

something we have a we have a conservative prime minister right now

conservative prime minister right now

conservative prime minister right now you remember Margaret Thatcher famously

you remember Margaret Thatcher famously

you remember Margaret Thatcher famously said there is no such thing as society

said there is no such thing as society

said there is no such thing as society today Boris Johnson said you know what

today Boris Johnson said you know what

today Boris Johnson said you know what there is such a thing as society after

there is such a thing as society after

there is such a thing as society after all but that's a big change

chipping in with a couple of questions

chipping in with a couple of questions

chipping in with a couple of questions from the room and first of all what a

from the room and first of all what a

from the room and first of all what a question from our tech department who

question from our tech department who

question from our tech department who said we're getting bit of noise from the

said we're getting bit of noise from the

said we're getting bit of noise from the microphone rubbing against your collar

microphone rubbing against your collar

microphone rubbing against your collar if there's a way of smoothing the

if there's a way of smoothing the

if there's a way of smoothing the microphone away from your collar I don't

microphone away from your collar I don't

microphone away from your collar I don't know whether you can even do that it's

know whether you can even do that it's

know whether you can even do that it's not a big deal doesn't matter but Chris

not a big deal doesn't matter but Chris

not a big deal doesn't matter but Chris I I met you halfway I'm not wearing a

I I met you halfway I'm not wearing a

I I met you halfway I'm not wearing a tie anyway I was doing this the first

tie anyway I was doing this the first

tie anyway I was doing this the first day and they asked me to correct but

day and they asked me to correct but

day and they asked me to correct but that's the small thing here's a question

that's the small thing here's a question

that's the small thing here's a question though after this is from Jennifer on on

though after this is from Jennifer on on

though after this is from Jennifer on on after the 1918 flu epidemic the world

after the 1918 flu epidemic the world

after the 1918 flu epidemic the world did change but not sure for the better

did change but not sure for the better

did change but not sure for the better because the rise of fascist ideologies

because the rise of fascist ideologies

because the rise of fascist ideologies why should we be optimistic that the

why should we be optimistic that the

why should we be optimistic that the present disruption is leading us to a

present disruption is leading us to a

present disruption is leading us to a better place

better place

better place Chris I have to make a distinction which

Chris I have to make a distinction which

Chris I have to make a distinction which is readily important between optimism

is readily important between optimism

is readily important between optimism and hope optimism is the belief that

and hope optimism is the belief that

and hope optimism is the belief that things will get better hope is the

things will get better hope is the

things will get better hope is the belief that if we work hard enough

belief that if we work hard enough

belief that if we work hard enough together we can make things better it

together we can make things better it

together we can make things better it needs no courage only a certain naivety

needs no courage only a certain naivety

needs no courage only a certain naivety to be an optimist but it needs sometimes

to be an optimist but it needs sometimes

to be an optimist but it needs sometimes a great deal of courage to have hope

a great deal of courage to have hope

a great deal of courage to have hope I've tried to bring a message of hope

I've tried to bring a message of hope

I've tried to bring a message of hope not of optimism we know that World War

not of optimism we know that World War

not of optimism we know that World War one was supposed to be the war to end

one was supposed to be the war to end

one was supposed to be the war to end all wars and it didn't end all war we

all wars and it didn't end all war we

all wars and it didn't end all war we know that the flu epidemic which they

know that the flu epidemic which they

know that the flu epidemic which they have taken between 20 and 50 million

have taken between 20 and 50 million

have taken between 20 and 50 million lives did not suddenly create a we

lives did not suddenly create a we

lives did not suddenly create a we society we know all the bad things that

society we know all the bad things that

society we know all the bad things that happen the great crash the thirties

happen the great crash the thirties

happen the great crash the thirties depression and so on and in the end the

depression and so on and in the end the

depression and so on and in the end the explosion of evil that was World War two

explosion of evil that was World War two

explosion of evil that was World War two though I'm not being optimistic here

though I'm not being optimistic here

though I'm not being optimistic here there could be another road that people

there could be another road that people

there could be another road that people will go down a nationalist road

will go down a nationalist road

will go down a nationalist road which sees the rise of far-right parties

which sees the rise of far-right parties

which sees the rise of far-right parties in Europe and the breakup of the

in Europe and the breakup of the

in Europe and the breakup of the European Union

European Union

European Union further tensions between the United

further tensions between the United

further tensions between the United States and China heaven alone knows what

States and China heaven alone knows what

States and China heaven alone knows what Russia will do in all this mix there are

Russia will do in all this mix there are

Russia will do in all this mix there are horrendous possibilities here that's why

horrendous possibilities here that's why

horrendous possibilities here that's why we need to work very hard together to

we need to work very hard together to

we need to work very hard together to make sure that we take the possible good

make sure that we take the possible good

make sure that we take the possible good benefits out of this number one the

benefits out of this number one the

benefits out of this number one the understanding that the whole of humanity

understanding that the whole of humanity

understanding that the whole of humanity has been brought to its knees by one

has been brought to its knees by one

has been brought to its knees by one tiny virus we are we feel the we of

tiny virus we are we feel the we of

tiny virus we are we feel the we of humanity as a whole number two that in

humanity as a whole number two that in

humanity as a whole number two that in the end the only effective political

the end the only effective political

the end the only effective political force that's worked is the nation let's

force that's worked is the nation let's

force that's worked is the nation let's have one nation and not a divided nation

have one nation and not a divided nation

have one nation and not a divided nation and number three we've seen the growth

and number three we've seen the growth

and number three we've seen the growth locally of community spirit like we've

locally of community spirit like we've

locally of community spirit like we've never had before that's the weave

never had before that's the weave

never had before that's the weave community I don't think any of these

community I don't think any of these

community I don't think any of these things are automatic I think they will

things are automatic I think they will

things are automatic I think they will require determination wisdom and great

require determination wisdom and great

require determination wisdom and great courage they will require leadership and

courage they will require leadership and

courage they will require leadership and by the way that question wasn't from

by the way that question wasn't from

by the way that question wasn't from Jennifer on Facebook Jennifer this is a

Jennifer on Facebook Jennifer this is a

Jennifer on Facebook Jennifer this is a member of our tech team before I did the

member of our tech team before I did the

member of our tech team before I did the question to me though but here's another

question to me though but here's another

question to me though but here's another question from from Facebook which is

question from from Facebook which is

question from from Facebook which is what coping strategies can religion

what coping strategies can religion

what coping strategies can religion offer in the current circumstances well

offer in the current circumstances well

offer in the current circumstances well prayer helps it actually helps if you

prayer helps it actually helps if you

prayer helps it actually helps if you want specifically to know what to say

want specifically to know what to say

want specifically to know what to say read The Book of Psalms book of Psalms

read The Book of Psalms book of Psalms

read The Book of Psalms book of Psalms is the greatest source of comfort it

is the greatest source of comfort it

is the greatest source of comfort it certainly was to me when I've been ill

certainly was to me when I've been ill

certainly was to me when I've been ill was to my late father when he went

was to my late father when he went

was to my late father when he went through the many operations at the end

through the many operations at the end

through the many operations at the end of his life I think faith that God is

of his life I think faith that God is

of his life I think faith that God is with you giving you the strength to come

with you giving you the strength to come

with you giving you the strength to come through this faith that you place your

through this faith that you place your

through this faith that you place your life in his hands these are powerful

life in his hands these are powerful

life in his hands these are powerful things they helped me go through a

things they helped me go through a

things they helped me go through a number of life challenging illnesses

number of life challenging illnesses

number of life challenging illnesses that marrying the right woman of course

that marrying the right woman of course

that marrying the right woman of course but I mean

but I mean

but I mean I think faith helps the other thing

I think faith helps the other thing

I think faith helps the other thing that's worth listening to is now that so

that's worth listening to is now that so

that's worth listening to is now that so many people are living in isolation

many people are living in isolation

many people are living in isolation somebody had the bright idea of asking

somebody had the bright idea of asking

somebody had the bright idea of asking that and Sharansky there was in pretty

that and Sharansky there was in pretty

that and Sharansky there was in pretty much solitary confinement for nine years

much solitary confinement for nine years

much solitary confinement for nine years by the KGB what did he do to stay sane

by the KGB what did he do to stay sane

by the KGB what did he do to stay sane and he came up with some pretty good

and he came up with some pretty good

and he came up with some pretty good principles that I that I think he want

principles that I that I think he want

principles that I that I think he want to share with you number one focus on

to share with you number one focus on

to share with you number one focus on what you can control

what you can control

what you can control don't worry about the rest number two

don't worry about the rest number two

don't worry about the rest number two keep your mind active number three never

keep your mind active number three never

keep your mind active number three never lose your sense of humor number four

lose your sense of humor number four

lose your sense of humor number four think of the group that you're a member

think of the group that you're a member

think of the group that you're a member of even if you can't physically be in

of even if you can't physically be in

of even if you can't physically be in their company and number five think of

their company and number five think of

their company and number five think of the bigger picture and for him too that

the bigger picture and for him too that

the bigger picture and for him too that came from the book of Psalms last

came from the book of Psalms last

came from the book of Psalms last question

question

question and you mentioned prayer someone's

and you mentioned prayer someone's

and you mentioned prayer someone's asking would you be willing to say no to

asking would you be willing to say no to

asking would you be willing to say no to this would you be willing to lead us in

this would you be willing to lead us in

this would you be willing to lead us in a prayer or invocation offering you help

a prayer or invocation offering you help

a prayer or invocation offering you help or guide us to get on the right track

or guide us to get on the right track

or guide us to get on the right track maybe our or towards the end of this hmm

God on high please be with us all in

God on high please be with us all in

God on high please be with us all in this hour of trial heal those who is

this hour of trial heal those who is

this hour of trial heal those who is sick give strength to those who give

sick give strength to those who give

sick give strength to those who give them comfort be with those heroes and

them comfort be with those heroes and

them comfort be with those heroes and heroines who manage our medical systems

heroines who manage our medical systems

heroines who manage our medical systems the doctors the nurses the medical

the doctors the nurses the medical

the doctors the nurses the medical auxiliaries if strength to all those who

auxiliaries if strength to all those who

auxiliaries if strength to all those who sustain our essential services have

sustain our essential services have

sustain our essential services have stock our supermarkets who dispense the

stock our supermarkets who dispense the

stock our supermarkets who dispense the medicines we need extend to us your love

medicines we need extend to us your love

medicines we need extend to us your love remove from us all hate let us be joined

remove from us all hate let us be joined

remove from us all hate let us be joined in this time of trial in our sense of

in this time of trial in our sense of

in this time of trial in our sense of belonging to one another and help us and

belonging to one another and help us and

belonging to one another and help us and this is over the Builder better more

this is over the Builder better more

this is over the Builder better more just and safer world Thank You rabbi

Ellen it's over to you yeah I'm here I'm

Ellen it's over to you yeah I'm here I'm

Ellen it's over to you yeah I'm here I'm here thank you so much for doing that

here thank you so much for doing that

here thank you so much for doing that that was beautiful

that was beautiful

that was beautiful though I think it's important when you

though I think it's important when you

though I think it's important when you talk about the you know you mentioned

talk about the you know you mentioned

talk about the you know you mentioned the healthcare workers you mentioned the

the healthcare workers you mentioned the

the healthcare workers you mentioned the people who are stocking shelves who are

people who are stocking shelves who are

people who are stocking shelves who are out there every day despite the the

out there every day despite the the

out there every day despite the the recommendations that we social distance

recommendations that we social distance

recommendations that we social distance or you know in certain cases we just

or you know in certain cases we just

or you know in certain cases we just stay home and don't go out so I guess my

stay home and don't go out so I guess my

stay home and don't go out so I guess my concern and worries are with them and

concern and worries are with them and

concern and worries are with them and how they maintain calm and peace time

how they maintain calm and peace time

how they maintain calm and peace time when they are sustaining all of us how

when they are sustaining all of us how

when they are sustaining all of us how how can we help them how can we think

how can we help them how can we think

how can we help them how can we think about doing what is right for those

about doing what is right for those

about doing what is right for those people and they're also of course there

people and they're also of course there

people and they're also of course there are cultures in which social distancing

are cultures in which social distancing

are cultures in which social distancing is just simply not possible it's you

is just simply not possible it's you

is just simply not possible it's you know society was designed in such a way

know society was designed in such a way

know society was designed in such a way that you know that social distancing is

that you know that social distancing is

that you know that social distancing is not possible so I guess I'm thinking

not possible so I guess I'm thinking

not possible so I guess I'm thinking about this a lot and I wonder what your

about this a lot and I wonder what your

about this a lot and I wonder what your thoughts are about how we can help or

thoughts are about how we can help or

thoughts are about how we can help or how we can think about that it's

how we can think about that it's

how we can think about that it's tremendously helpful for employers and

tremendously helpful for employers and

tremendously helpful for employers and if not employers then the government to

if not employers then the government to

if not employers then the government to provide them with or whatever safety

provide them with or whatever safety

provide them with or whatever safety equipment they can have whether it's

equipment they can have whether it's

equipment they can have whether it's gloves whether it's face masks whether

gloves whether it's face masks whether

gloves whether it's face masks whether face must have been found to work and so

face must have been found to work and so

face must have been found to work and so and it's appalling that governments were

and it's appalling that governments were

and it's appalling that governments were not prepared for this and because South

not prepared for this and because South

not prepared for this and because South Korea and China and Hong Kong and

Korea and China and Hong Kong and

Korea and China and Hong Kong and Singapore had had SARS and other

Singapore had had SARS and other

Singapore had had SARS and other epidemics recently they really were

epidemics recently they really were

epidemics recently they really were prepared and you can see the difference

prepared and you can see the difference

prepared and you can see the difference in state but otherwise you know it's

in state but otherwise you know it's

in state but otherwise you know it's really really important that we help

really really important that we help

really really important that we help those people by keeping our social

those people by keeping our social

those people by keeping our social distance otherwise we are a health

distance otherwise we are a health

distance otherwise we are a health hazard to them and and and that's just

hazard to them and and and that's just

hazard to them and and and that's just incredibly important so that's the best

incredibly important so that's the best

incredibly important so that's the best we can do to make sure that they are

we can do to make sure that they are

we can do to make sure that they are prioritized with the provision of

prioritized with the provision of

prioritized with the provision of whatever safety to proceed especially

whatever safety to proceed especially

whatever safety to proceed especially the doctors nurses and hospitals you

the doctors nurses and hospitals you

the doctors nurses and hospitals you know in Italy there's been a huge

know in Italy there's been a huge

know in Italy there's been a huge percentage of the casualties have been

percentage of the casualties have been

percentage of the casualties have been doctors nurses I mean that's really

doctors nurses I mean that's really

doctors nurses I mean that's really tragic

tragic

tragic and in Britain people are working very

and in Britain people are working very

and in Britain people are working very hard very fast make sure it doesn't

hard very fast make sure it doesn't

hard very fast make sure it doesn't happen here what do you think is the

happen here what do you think is the

happen here what do you think is the moral imperative for executives or for

moral imperative for executives or for

moral imperative for executives or for leaders in that in that position who you

leaders in that in that position who you

leaders in that in that position who you know or maybe running the warehouses or

know or maybe running the warehouses or

know or maybe running the warehouses or overseeing the places where these people

overseeing the places where these people

overseeing the places where these people are working well I mean here the whole

are working well I mean here the whole

are working well I mean here the whole wartime ethos is absolutely essential

wartime ethos is absolutely essential

wartime ethos is absolutely essential chief executives have to be down there

chief executives have to be down there

chief executives have to be down there on on the ground with the workers you

on on the ground with the workers you

on on the ground with the workers you know they can't be running companies

know they can't be running companies

know they can't be running companies from a distance they have to be there

from a distance they have to be there

from a distance they have to be there sharing the same risks suffering the

sharing the same risks suffering the

sharing the same risks suffering the same fears as their employees otherwise

same fears as their employees otherwise

same fears as their employees otherwise I think you know they're just morally

I think you know they're just morally

I think you know they're just morally unfit for the job there's certainly

unfit for the job there's certainly

unfit for the job there's certainly there I think related to the the we and

there I think related to the the we and

there I think related to the the we and the I that you have that you have

the I that you have that you have

the I that you have that you have written about there's a kind of a rise

written about there's a kind of a rise

written about there's a kind of a rise over the last decades of individualism

over the last decades of individualism

over the last decades of individualism and the kind of a sense that personal

and the kind of a sense that personal

and the kind of a sense that personal freedom matters more than anything else

freedom matters more than anything else

freedom matters more than anything else I think that we've all seen unfortunate

I think that we've all seen unfortunate

I think that we've all seen unfortunate stories of people who are putting their

stories of people who are putting their

stories of people who are putting their personal freedom above others what do

personal freedom above others what do

personal freedom above others what do you say to them how and how can if

you say to them how and how can if

you say to them how and how can if personally if we see people who are

personally if we see people who are

personally if we see people who are perhaps not making taking all these

perhaps not making taking all these

perhaps not making taking all these restrictions seriously should we get

restrictions seriously should we get

restrictions seriously should we get involved like how do how do we respond

involved like how do how do we respond

involved like how do how do we respond to seeing people out in society who are

to seeing people out in society who are

to seeing people out in society who are not perhaps taking this as seriously as

not perhaps taking this as seriously as

not perhaps taking this as seriously as we believe everyone should it's a

we believe everyone should it's a

we believe everyone should it's a serious problem and interestingly we

serious problem and interestingly we

serious problem and interestingly we have we have some really good social

have we have some really good social

have we have some really good social science research on this there's

science research on this there's

science research on this there's something called the social goods game I

something called the social goods game I

something called the social goods game I don't know if you've come across this

don't know if you've come across this

don't know if you've come across this let me explain there three players are

let me explain there three players are

let me explain there three players are given let's say $30 each and they are

given let's say $30 each and they are

given let's say $30 each and they are told that they can contribute as much as

told that they can contribute as much as

told that they can contribute as much as they want to a communal chest and the

they want to a communal chest and the

they want to a communal chest and the money will then be doubled and returned

money will then be doubled and returned

money will then be doubled and returned to them three three people are sitting

to them three three people are sitting

to them three three people are sitting around the table there

around the table there

around the table there been given $30 they each put $30 in the

been given $30 they each put $30 in the

been given $30 they each put $30 in the communal chest that is doubled to a

communal chest that is doubled to a

communal chest that is doubled to a hundred and eighty dollars and they all

hundred and eighty dollars and they all

hundred and eighty dollars and they all get $60 left the next round somebody

get $60 left the next round somebody

get $60 left the next round somebody decides to be clever and he doesn't put

decides to be clever and he doesn't put

decides to be clever and he doesn't put his thirty dollars in but the other two

his thirty dollars in but the other two

his thirty dollars in but the other two do there now they're $60 double to 120

do there now they're $60 double to 120

do there now they're $60 double to 120 everyone gets 40 so to get 40 with the

everyone gets 40 so to get 40 with the

everyone gets 40 so to get 40 with the third who didn't put his money in now

third who didn't put his money in now

third who didn't put his money in now has 70 he gains by putting self-interest

has 70 he gains by putting self-interest

has 70 he gains by putting self-interest above the common good what happens the

above the common good what happens the

above the common good what happens the short answer is within a few rounds

short answer is within a few rounds

short answer is within a few rounds everyone stops putting money in the

everyone stops putting money in the

everyone stops putting money in the collective then though common good

collective then though common good

collective then though common good disappears number two when asked if they

disappears number two when asked if they

disappears number two when asked if they would be willing to pay money to punish

would be willing to pay money to punish

would be willing to pay money to punish the non contributor they all agree

the non contributor they all agree

the non contributor they all agree they're willing to make a sacrifice to

they're willing to make a sacrifice to

they're willing to make a sacrifice to punish the guy who puts his

punish the guy who puts his

punish the guy who puts his self-interest over the common good so we

self-interest over the common good so we

self-interest over the common good so we have huge research on this though what

have huge research on this though what

have huge research on this though what happens of course is that if lots of

happens of course is that if lots of

happens of course is that if lots of people panic buy and hoard and stockpile

people panic buy and hoard and stockpile

people panic buy and hoard and stockpile supermarket goods or drugs or what have

supermarket goods or drugs or what have

supermarket goods or drugs or what have you or they don't keep their social

you or they don't keep their social

you or they don't keep their social distance then we all suffer the whole

distance then we all suffer the whole

distance then we all suffer the whole thing suffers that's why everyone is in

thing suffers that's why everyone is in

thing suffers that's why everyone is in lockdown in Britain today because people

lockdown in Britain today because people

lockdown in Britain today because people weren't following the rules so the whole

weren't following the rules so the whole

weren't following the rules so the whole common good disappears because a few

common good disappears because a few

common good disappears because a few people pursue their own interests the

people pursue their own interests the

people pursue their own interests the truth is that in the fullness of time

truth is that in the fullness of time

truth is that in the fullness of time somebody's going to take their own back

somebody's going to take their own back

somebody's going to take their own back on those non-compliance individuals

on those non-compliance individuals

on those non-compliance individuals because everyone suffers though do get

because everyone suffers though do get

because everyone suffers though do get involved and less getting involved means

involved and less getting involved means

involved and less getting involved means getting less than 6 feet close to them

getting less than 6 feet close to them

getting less than 6 feet close to them which case look after your own health

which case look after your own health

which case look after your own health first get involved but stay back yeah

carry on go ahead oh no go ahead go

carry on go ahead oh no go ahead go

carry on go ahead oh no go ahead go ahead I was just going to say I think

ahead I was just going to say I think

ahead I was just going to say I think it's worth if we will take care of

it's worth if we will take care of

it's worth if we will take care of ourselves and our own behaviors the

ourselves and our own behaviors the

ourselves and our own behaviors the for really applying ourselves to others

for really applying ourselves to others

for really applying ourselves to others of course you know that that's kind of

of course you know that that's kind of

of course you know that that's kind of how we can at least contribute

how we can at least contribute

how we can at least contribute meaningfully to what's happening in

meaningfully to what's happening in

meaningfully to what's happening in society what they say on the plane first

society what they say on the plane first

society what they say on the plane first fix your own bars before fixing someone

fix your own bars before fixing someone

fix your own bars before fixing someone else's that's right I mean the numbers

else's that's right I mean the numbers

else's that's right I mean the numbers that were seeing rabbi up so I watering

that were seeing rabbi up so I watering

that were seeing rabbi up so I watering Li horrifying we're seeing them coming

Li horrifying we're seeing them coming

Li horrifying we're seeing them coming out of countries such as Italy they're

out of countries such as Italy they're

out of countries such as Italy they're happening in the US right now it's the

happening in the US right now it's the

happening in the US right now it's the one thing that seems clear is that death

one thing that seems clear is that death

one thing that seems clear is that death will be full of all going to have a

will be full of all going to have a

will be full of all going to have a closer connection to death do know than

closer connection to death do know than

closer connection to death do know than later and generally death I mean of

later and generally death I mean of

later and generally death I mean of course it comes for us all but generally

course it comes for us all but generally

course it comes for us all but generally death is more of a personal experience

death is more of a personal experience

death is more of a personal experience you know we kind of we we deal with it

you know we kind of we we deal with it

you know we kind of we we deal with it in our own ways and I don't think in

in our own ways and I don't think in

in our own ways and I don't think in this generation we've had to deal with

this generation we've had to deal with

this generation we've had to deal with death at this scale how like what words

death at this scale how like what words

death at this scale how like what words of advice or wisdom do you have to share

of advice or wisdom do you have to share

of advice or wisdom do you have to share to help us as we all collectively have

to help us as we all collectively have

to help us as we all collectively have to manage it not with the records and

to manage it not with the records and

to manage it not with the records and our families but you know the direct

our families but you know the direct

our families but you know the direct deaths of many millions potentially of

deaths of many millions potentially of

deaths of many millions potentially of people around the world it's terribly

people around the world it's terribly

people around the world it's terribly scary what's happening and the scale of

scary what's happening and the scale of

scary what's happening and the scale of what's happening but in some respects is

what's happening but in some respects is

what's happening but in some respects is even worse because I mean I had to do a

even worse because I mean I had to do a

even worse because I mean I had to do a funeral we could to we go work you know

funeral we could to we go work you know

funeral we could to we go work you know the normally there would have been

the normally there would have been

the normally there would have been hundreds of people a well-known

hundreds of people a well-known

hundreds of people a well-known well-loved individual everyone would

well-loved individual everyone would

well-loved individual everyone would have wanted to come to see them off and

have wanted to come to see them off and

have wanted to come to see them off and almost nobody was there because it was

almost nobody was there because it was

almost nobody was there because it was much of a health risk we have something

much of a health risk we have something

much of a health risk we have something called sitting Shiva you sit for seven

called sitting Shiva you sit for seven

called sitting Shiva you sit for seven days and people friends and family come

days and people friends and family come

days and people friends and family come and comfort you they can't do that

and comfort you they can't do that

and comfort you they can't do that anymore they can only do that through

anymore they can only do that through

anymore they can only do that through social media so even the traditional

social media so even the traditional

social media so even the traditional comforts that we had in the face of

comforts that we had in the face of

comforts that we had in the face of death are being removed from us the end

death are being removed from us the end

death are being removed from us the end result is that we will be left with a

result is that we will be left with a

result is that we will be left with a trauma that will probably stay with us

trauma that will probably stay with us

trauma that will probably stay with us to the end of our days people will never

to the end of our days people will never

to the end of our days people will never forget world war two those who lived

forget world war two those who lived

forget world war two those who lived through it people will certainly live

through it people will certainly live

through it people will certainly live never forget the Holocaust those who

never forget the Holocaust those who

never forget the Holocaust those who lived through it we

lived through it we

lived through it we we'll never forget this we will live

we'll never forget this we will live

we'll never forget this we will live despite this we will just say as Moses

despite this we will just say as Moses

despite this we will just say as Moses said you know choose life you know

said you know choose life you know

said you know choose life you know nothing can make with that loss we are

nothing can make with that loss we are

nothing can make with that loss we are going to lose people who are very

going to lose people who are very

going to lose people who are very precious to us we're going to lose

precious to us we're going to lose

precious to us we're going to lose people who are very close to us and and

people who are very close to us and and

people who are very close to us and and and we are not going to we're not going

and we are not going to we're not going

and we are not going to we're not going to try and diminish that pain that pain

to try and diminish that pain that pain

to try and diminish that pain that pain is real and we have to feel it and then

is real and we have to feel it and then

is real and we have to feel it and then we have to get up the next day I think

we have to get up the next day I think

we have to get up the next day I think it's also going to be strange to to kind

it's also going to be strange to to kind

it's also going to be strange to to kind of re adapt should we be lucky enough to

of re adapt should we be lucky enough to

of re adapt should we be lucky enough to be able to readapt at the end of this

be able to readapt at the end of this

be able to readapt at the end of this like already you kind of you know you go

like already you kind of you know you go

like already you kind of you know you go outside it's so quiet like how are we

outside it's so quiet like how are we

outside it's so quiet like how are we going to do it that's when this is over

going to do it that's when this is over

going to do it that's when this is over or are we even going to what are we

or are we even going to what are we

or are we even going to what are we going to readjust to it's you know it's

going to readjust to it's you know it's

going to readjust to it's you know it's difficult to know in this time but

difficult to know in this time but

difficult to know in this time but christe's you're back with questions

christe's you're back with questions

christe's you're back with questions well there's a there's a provocative

well there's a there's a provocative

well there's a there's a provocative question yeah which I'm introduced to

question yeah which I'm introduced to

question yeah which I'm introduced to how you respond to it from Facebook

how you respond to it from Facebook

how you respond to it from Facebook rabbi it may not be coincidental that

rabbi it may not be coincidental that

rabbi it may not be coincidental that the pandemic happened before Passover

the pandemic happened before Passover

the pandemic happened before Passover Easter what do you think the meaning of

Easter what do you think the meaning of

Easter what do you think the meaning of this plague is in the context of what

this plague is in the context of what

this plague is in the context of what happened millennia ago in Egypt is the

happened millennia ago in Egypt is the

happened millennia ago in Egypt is the whole humanity getting out of the

whole humanity getting out of the

whole humanity getting out of the tyranny of materialism of symbolic Egypt

tyranny of materialism of symbolic Egypt

tyranny of materialism of symbolic Egypt they go no sorry I I'm not going to have

they go no sorry I I'm not going to have

they go no sorry I I'm not going to have the whole world eating unleavened bread

the whole world eating unleavened bread

the whole world eating unleavened bread after this if you want a real answer if

after this if you want a real answer if

after this if you want a real answer if you can handle this close bit of

you can handle this close bit of

you can handle this close bit of biblical exegesis I would say this if

biblical exegesis I would say this if

biblical exegesis I would say this if you read the exodus account there are

you read the exodus account there are

you read the exodus account there are ten plagues the first two the water

ten plagues the first two the water

ten plagues the first two the water turned

turned

turned two blood and the country is full of

two blood and the country is full of

two blood and the country is full of frogs the Egyptian magicians can

frogs the Egyptian magicians can

frogs the Egyptian magicians can replicate though they say that's nothing

replicate though they say that's nothing

replicate though they say that's nothing that's that's just magic the third

that's that's just magic the third

that's that's just magic the third plague is a plague of lice of

plague is a plague of lice of

plague is a plague of lice of microscopic little organisms now on this

microscopic little organisms now on this

microscopic little organisms now on this one the Egyptian magicians can't

one the Egyptian magicians can't

one the Egyptian magicians can't replicate it and they say to Pharaoh at

replicate it and they say to Pharaoh at

replicate it and they say to Pharaoh at Spa Elohim hook it's the finger of God

Spa Elohim hook it's the finger of God

Spa Elohim hook it's the finger of God now this is the Bible making fun of

now this is the Bible making fun of

now this is the Bible making fun of Egyptian civilization Egyptian

Egyptian civilization Egyptian

Egyptian civilization Egyptian civilization said what's divine is

civilization said what's divine is

civilization said what's divine is massive look at the temples look at the

massive look at the temples look at the

massive look at the temples look at the Great Pyramid of Giza for four thousand

Great Pyramid of Giza for four thousand

Great Pyramid of Giza for four thousand years the highest man-made structure on

years the highest man-made structure on

years the highest man-made structure on earth and along comes plank 3 this tiny

earth and along comes plank 3 this tiny

earth and along comes plank 3 this tiny microscopic little organism and brings

microscopic little organism and brings

microscopic little organism and brings Egypt to its knees

Egypt to its knees

Egypt to its knees it's what TS Eliot meant when he said I

it's what TS Eliot meant when he said I

it's what TS Eliot meant when he said I will show you fear in a handful of dust

will show you fear in a handful of dust

will show you fear in a handful of dust though if I were to take any biblical

though if I were to take any biblical

though if I were to take any biblical significance it would not be in the

significance it would not be in the

significance it would not be in the context of the book of Exodus but it

context of the book of Exodus but it

context of the book of Exodus but it would be in the sense of teaching all of

would be in the sense of teaching all of

would be in the sense of teaching all of this humility this tiny little

this humility this tiny little

this humility this tiny little microscopic virus has brought humanity

microscopic virus has brought humanity

microscopic virus has brought humanity to its knees despite all our wealth all

to its knees despite all our wealth all

to its knees despite all our wealth all our scientific expertise and all our

our scientific expertise and all our

our scientific expertise and all our technological prowess let us have a

technological prowess let us have a

technological prowess let us have a little humility from Iran but what would

little humility from Iran but what would

little humility from Iran but what would you say to someone whose takes almost

you say to someone whose takes almost

you say to someone whose takes almost the opposite stance and say that

the opposite stance and say that

the opposite stance and say that actually to try to understand this

actually to try to understand this

actually to try to understand this remotely in terms of ancient myths and

remotely in terms of ancient myths and

remotely in terms of ancient myths and stories and know that that whole

stories and know that that whole

stories and know that that whole worldview has as kind of failed in the

worldview has as kind of failed in the

worldview has as kind of failed in the current context the only story we should

current context the only story we should

current context the only story we should be paying attention to is the story of

be paying attention to is the story of

be paying attention to is the story of science the story of knowledge the story

science the story of knowledge the story

science the story of knowledge the story of learning that random horrifying

of learning that random horrifying

of learning that random horrifying things can happen on the planet can

things can happen on the planet can

things can happen on the planet can spread out of control and that and that

spread out of control and that and that

spread out of control and that and that yes we may maybe we can get a sense of

yes we may maybe we can get a sense of

yes we may maybe we can get a sense of community and connection from religion

community and connection from religion

community and connection from religion but in terms of an explanation of

but in terms of an explanation of

but in terms of an explanation of happen to get it we must pay more

happen to get it we must pay more

happen to get it we must pay more attention to science I do percent

attention to science I do percent

attention to science I do percent totally and absolutely fair I wrote a

totally and absolutely fair I wrote a

totally and absolutely fair I wrote a book on this called the great

book on this called the great

book on this called the great partnerships they don't think of

partnerships they don't think of

partnerships they don't think of religion and science there's two

religion and science there's two

religion and science there's two opposite things the greatest rabbi of

opposite things the greatest rabbi of

opposite things the greatest rabbi of the Middle Ages Moses Maimonides was one

the Middle Ages Moses Maimonides was one

the Middle Ages Moses Maimonides was one of the greatest doctors of the Middle

of the greatest doctors of the Middle

of the greatest doctors of the Middle Ages author of eight medical textbooks I

Ages author of eight medical textbooks I

Ages author of eight medical textbooks I think it's a religious imperative to

think it's a religious imperative to

think it's a religious imperative to study medicine to develop new cures to

study medicine to develop new cures to

study medicine to develop new cures to save life thereby and the idea that

save life thereby and the idea that

save life thereby and the idea that religion is a substitute for science is

religion is a substitute for science is

religion is a substitute for science is outrageous I'm sorry I have no patience

outrageous I'm sorry I have no patience

outrageous I'm sorry I have no patience for that view whatsoever okay and

for that view whatsoever okay and

for that view whatsoever okay and finally another question about your

finally another question about your

finally another question about your Confederate devices society I mean it is

Confederate devices society I mean it is

Confederate devices society I mean it is divisive it's us versus them the how do

divisive it's us versus them the how do

divisive it's us versus them the how do you dialogue with people on the other

you dialogue with people on the other

you dialogue with people on the other side who are only used to talking with

side who are only used to talking with

side who are only used to talking with people who agree with them it's called

people who agree with them it's called

people who agree with them it's called role reversal I think to myself you know

role reversal I think to myself you know

role reversal I think to myself you know I mean somebody asked me what do you say

I mean somebody asked me what do you say

I mean somebody asked me what do you say to a guy who's just coming out of the

to a guy who's just coming out of the

to a guy who's just coming out of the supermarket with I don't know hundred

supermarket with I don't know hundred

supermarket with I don't know hundred rolls of toilet paper you know and

rolls of toilet paper you know and

rolls of toilet paper you know and leaving this old lady behind with

leaving this old lady behind with

leaving this old lady behind with nothing in her basket I said what I

nothing in her basket I said what I

nothing in her basket I said what I would say to him is just think what she

would say to him is just think what she

would say to him is just think what she is thinking right now put yourself in

is thinking right now put yourself in

is thinking right now put yourself in her position that's the simplest way of

her position that's the simplest way of

her position that's the simplest way of learning how to be moral I know now what

learning how to be moral I know now what

learning how to be moral I know now what I saw in the United States just defy

I saw in the United States just defy

I saw in the United States just defy belief you had what one month ago

belief you had what one month ago

belief you had what one month ago a poll that said that 45% of Americans

a poll that said that 45% of Americans

a poll that said that 45% of Americans no longer talked politics through a

no longer talked politics through a

no longer talked politics through a close friend or a member of the family

close friend or a member of the family

close friend or a member of the family because they are worried that that would

because they are worried that that would

because they are worried that that would break up the relationship and I'm

break up the relationship and I'm

break up the relationship and I'm thinking to myself oh we suddenly become

thinking to myself oh we suddenly become

thinking to myself oh we suddenly become soldiers though such super heroes that

soldiers though such super heroes that

soldiers though such super heroes that we can dispense with the need for

we can dispense with the need for

we can dispense with the need for empathy - the need to understand how the

empathy - the need to understand how the

empathy - the need to understand how the world looks like from somebody who's

world looks like from somebody who's

world looks like from somebody who's looking at it from another perspective

looking at it from another perspective

looking at it from another perspective from us but for heaven's sake it's

from us but for heaven's sake it's

from us but for heaven's sake it's ridiculous civilization depends and

ridiculous civilization depends and

ridiculous civilization depends and morality depends on our being able to

morality depends on our being able to

morality depends on our being able to see through other people's eyes

see through other people's eyes

see through other people's eyes and that and you know I'm gonna quote

and that and you know I'm gonna quote

and that and you know I'm gonna quote the Bible at you Chris

the Bible at you Chris

the Bible at you Chris do not arm a stranger because you know

do not arm a stranger because you know

do not arm a stranger because you know what it feels like to be a stranger

what it feels like to be a stranger

what it feels like to be a stranger you will want strangers in the land of

you will want strangers in the land of

you will want strangers in the land of Egypt you know what it feels like to be

Egypt you know what it feels like to be

Egypt you know what it feels like to be on the other side we need that in

on the other side we need that in

on the other side we need that in politics right now Thank You rabbi and a

politics right now Thank You rabbi and a

politics right now Thank You rabbi and a percent agree on that point for sure

percent agree on that point for sure

percent agree on that point for sure I'll be back home at the end okay the

I'll be back home at the end okay the

I'll be back home at the end okay the rabbi you turn to religious texts

rabbi you turn to religious texts

rabbi you turn to religious texts obviously for comfort and sucker what

obviously for comfort and sucker what

obviously for comfort and sucker what advice do you have for those who don't

advice do you have for those who don't

advice do you have for those who don't have spiritual beliefs I don't have

have spiritual beliefs I don't have

have spiritual beliefs I don't have spiritual beliefs poetry and music those

spiritual beliefs poetry and music those

spiritual beliefs poetry and music those are the finest expressions of the human

are the finest expressions of the human

are the finest expressions of the human spirit you know just just read

spirit you know just just read

spirit you know just just read Shakespeare's sonnets read Wordsworth

Shakespeare's sonnets read Wordsworth

Shakespeare's sonnets read Wordsworth read gates read whoever you know and

look musing is such a personal taste and

look musing is such a personal taste and

look musing is such a personal taste and when I try and get all away from M&M

when I try and get all away from M&M

when I try and get all away from M&M does lead raw dared and so on you know

does lead raw dared and so on you know

does lead raw dared and so on you know but I never know what what speaks to

but I never know what what speaks to

but I never know what what speaks to people but their words the language of

people but their words the language of

people but their words the language of the mind and music is language of the

the mind and music is language of the

the mind and music is language of the soul and don't tell me that there are

soul and don't tell me that there are

soul and don't tell me that there are too many human beings who can't be moved

too many human beings who can't be moved

too many human beings who can't be moved by music there are some a very few so

by music there are some a very few so

by music there are some a very few so basically that's it poetry and music I'm

basically that's it poetry and music I'm

basically that's it poetry and music I'm just I'm not gonna lie rabbi I have

just I'm not gonna lie rabbi I have

just I'm not gonna lie rabbi I have great delight in seeing you rocking out

great delight in seeing you rocking out

great delight in seeing you rocking out - mmm that gives me great pleasure thank

- mmm that gives me great pleasure thank

- mmm that gives me great pleasure thank you for that yeah lose yourself let's

you for that yeah lose yourself let's

you for that yeah lose yourself let's think that once a day you know though

think that once a day you know though

think that once a day you know though you mentioned Shiva earlier and I know

you mentioned Shiva earlier and I know

you mentioned Shiva earlier and I know also that you have or you have had up

also that you have or you have had up

also that you have or you have had up until now a family Sabbath meal every

until now a family Sabbath meal every

until now a family Sabbath meal every Friday what part of what role can ritual

Friday what part of what role can ritual

Friday what part of what role can ritual play at this moment and how how are you

play at this moment and how how are you

play at this moment and how how are you redefining ritual in a virtual world

redefining ritual in a virtual world

redefining ritual in a virtual world well number one we get together with the

well number one we get together with the

well number one we get together with the family on a

family on a

family on a program that it was named I forget is it

program that it was named I forget is it

program that it was named I forget is it guestroom or something something like

guestroom or something something like

guestroom or something something like that some subsidiary of zoom I don't

that some subsidiary of zoom I don't

that some subsidiary of zoom I don't know they're all on the screen together

know they're all on the screen together

know they're all on the screen together and we have family times when we just

and we have family times when we just

and we have family times when we just come together as a family so everyone's

come together as a family so everyone's

come together as a family so everyone's there and of course our grandchildren

there and of course our grandchildren

there and of course our grandchildren love this stuff they grow up with this

love this stuff they grow up with this

love this stuff they grow up with this stuff they add all sorts of special

stuff they add all sorts of special

stuff they add all sorts of special effects while we're talking and that's

effects while we're talking and that's

effects while we're talking and that's number one number two obviously

number one number two obviously

number one number two obviously physically we can't be with them on what

physically we can't be with them on what

physically we can't be with them on what we can't be with them . but especially

we can't be with them . but especially

we can't be with them . but especially on friday night which is family time so

on friday night which is family time so

on friday night which is family time so we have one of those electronic picture

we have one of those electronic picture

we have one of those electronic picture frames you know where you can store lots

frames you know where you can store lots

frames you know where you can store lots of pictures they change every few

of pictures they change every few

of pictures they change every few seconds so as we are bringing in the

seconds so as we are bringing in the

seconds so as we are bringing in the sabbath I'm and I stand by that picture

sabbath I'm and I stand by that picture

sabbath I'm and I stand by that picture frame I would just stand there looking

frame I would just stand there looking

frame I would just stand there looking at our grandchildren you know and it's

at our grandchildren you know and it's

at our grandchildren you know and it's very very moving I have to tell you

very very moving I have to tell you

very very moving I have to tell you though you know

though you know

though you know we managed where do you see hope or

we managed where do you see hope or

we managed where do you see hope or light in this moment hello because I was

light in this moment hello because I was

light in this moment hello because I was chief rabbi for a long time I got to

chief rabbi for a long time I got to

chief rabbi for a long time I got to know Holocaust survivors I wanted to

know Holocaust survivors I wanted to

know Holocaust survivors I wanted to know how did they carry on living you

know how did they carry on living you

know how did they carry on living you know and some of them didn't you know

know and some of them didn't you know

know and some of them didn't you know some of them committed suicide even even

some of them committed suicide even even

some of them committed suicide even even even Premal lovely committed suicide in

even Premal lovely committed suicide in

even Premal lovely committed suicide in his 80 and I just thought after they

his 80 and I just thought after they

his 80 and I just thought after they survived and then I thought of is Israel

survived and then I thought of is Israel

survived and then I thought of is Israel Christo who died a couple of years of

Christo who died a couple of years of

Christo who died a couple of years of about three years ago one month short of

about three years ago one month short of

about three years ago one month short of his hundred and 14th birthday the

his hundred and 14th birthday the

his hundred and 14th birthday the world's oldest living man a Holocaust

world's oldest living man a Holocaust

world's oldest living man a Holocaust survivor who had his Bar Mitzvah on his

survivor who had his Bar Mitzvah on his

survivor who had his Bar Mitzvah on his hundred and 13th birthday lived in

hundred and 13th birthday lived in

hundred and 13th birthday lived in lived in - he made chocolate he liked

lived in - he made chocolate he liked

lived in - he made chocolate he liked making people have made the cured

making people have made the cured

making people have made the cured chocolate EDA Seger you know wrote the

chocolate EDA Seger you know wrote the

chocolate EDA Seger you know wrote the book the choice survivor of Auschwitz

book the choice survivor of Auschwitz

book the choice survivor of Auschwitz survivor of the death march which was

survivor of the death march which was

survivor of the death march which was worse than Auschwitz who writes her

worse than Auschwitz who writes her

worse than Auschwitz who writes her first book at the age of 90 called the

first book at the age of 90 called the

first book at the age of 90 called the choice and it's an international

choice and it's an international

choice and it's an international bestseller and she emerges as a female

bestseller and she emerges as a female

bestseller and she emerges as a female Viktor Frankl who used her pain at

Viktor Frankl who used her pain at

Viktor Frankl who used her pain at Auschwitz to speak to and heal the pain

Auschwitz to speak to and heal the pain

Auschwitz to speak to and heal the pain of others I look at the photograph last

of others I look at the photograph last

of others I look at the photograph last summer of a lady in Israel called

summer of a lady in Israel called

summer of a lady in Israel called Shoshana Ovitz

Shoshana Ovitz

Shoshana Ovitz another outreach survivor celebrating

another outreach survivor celebrating

another outreach survivor celebrating her hundred and fourth birthday and she

her hundred and fourth birthday and she

her hundred and fourth birthday and she invited her family our children

invited her family our children

invited her family our children grandchildren great-grandchildren to

grandchildren great-grandchildren to

grandchildren great-grandchildren to come together to celebrate with her they

come together to celebrate with her they

come together to celebrate with her they took a photograph of them against the

took a photograph of them against the

took a photograph of them against the western wall there were almost 400 I

western wall there were almost 400 I

western wall there were almost 400 I thought what courage does it take to

thought what courage does it take to

thought what courage does it take to bring 400 lives into a world that you

bring 400 lives into a world that you

bring 400 lives into a world that you know contains out and I've just studied

know contains out and I've just studied

know contains out and I've just studied these I haven't read philosophical

these I haven't read philosophical

these I haven't read philosophical theories I just studied these these

theories I just studied these these

theories I just studied these these people lived from day to day their firm

people lived from day to day their firm

people lived from day to day their firm life they celebrate life they look

life they celebrate life they look

life they celebrate life they look forward they wrestle with their memories

forward they wrestle with their memories

forward they wrestle with their memories and they try not to late load them on

and they try not to late load them on

and they try not to late load them on others and they are joyous people but a

others and they are joyous people but a

others and they are joyous people but a very hard one joy a lot of jagged edges

very hard one joy a lot of jagged edges

very hard one joy a lot of jagged edges and I always think if they could get

and I always think if they could get

and I always think if they could get through what they had to go through so

through what they had to go through so

through what they had to go through so can I beautiful and I think that will

can I beautiful and I think that will

can I beautiful and I think that will speak to to the many parents I'm sure

speak to to the many parents I'm sure

speak to to the many parents I'm sure who were watching and listening and

who were watching and listening and

who were watching and listening and worrying about the fact that children

worrying about the fact that children

worrying about the fact that children are home or

are home or

are home or children are not having an education

children are not having an education

children are not having an education right now any other thoughts that you

right now any other thoughts that you

right now any other thoughts that you have about how to how to involve and

have about how to how to involve and

have about how to how to involve and include children in this moment without

include children in this moment without

include children in this moment without filling them with the fear that I think

filling them with the fear that I think

filling them with the fear that I think so many of us are feeling well I've seen

so many of us are feeling well I've seen

so many of us are feeling well I've seen some very innovative approaches in

some very innovative approaches in

some very innovative approaches in education classroom virtual classrooms

education classroom virtual classrooms

education classroom virtual classrooms and the teachers seem to be working

and the teachers seem to be working

and the teachers seem to be working through the idea that you have to keep

through the idea that you have to keep

through the idea that you have to keep kids physically active quite a lot cuz

kids physically active quite a lot cuz

kids physically active quite a lot cuz it's quite difficult to sit still in

it's quite difficult to sit still in

it's quite difficult to sit still in your own house in your own front room

your own house in your own front room

your own house in your own front room and it gets quite boring so they seem to

and it gets quite boring so they seem to

and it gets quite boring so they seem to have worked out more interactive and

have worked out more interactive and

have worked out more interactive and more active lessons learning through

more active lessons learning through

more active lessons learning through game playing in some cases and and that

game playing in some cases and and that

game playing in some cases and and that seems to work I would also think you

seems to work I would also think you

seems to work I would also think you know around Easter around Passover to

know around Easter around Passover to

know around Easter around Passover to get children to you know do a little

get children to you know do a little

get children to you know do a little Passover or the word you know a little

Passover or the word you know a little

Passover or the word you know a little poem a little play a little something on

poem a little play a little something on

poem a little play a little something on you know filmed on your smartphone and

you know filmed on your smartphone and

you know filmed on your smartphone and send it to their grandparents

send it to their grandparents

send it to their grandparents make them feel that they're the teachers

make them feel that they're the teachers

make them feel that they're the teachers are just the pupils and how much do you

are just the pupils and how much do you

are just the pupils and how much do you advise honesty with children as it

advise honesty with children as it

advise honesty with children as it sounds but how much do we involve

sounds but how much do we involve

sounds but how much do we involve children in in what is happening here

children in in what is happening here

children in in what is happening here there's so much uncertainty around and

there's so much uncertainty around and

there's so much uncertainty around and children don't necessarily thrive on

children don't necessarily thrive on

children don't necessarily thrive on uncertainty but at the same time you

uncertainty but at the same time you

uncertainty but at the same time you don't necessarily want to disguise the

don't necessarily want to disguise the

don't necessarily want to disguise the fact that this is you know do put odd

fact that this is you know do put odd

fact that this is you know do put odd for everybody how do you how do you

for everybody how do you how do you

for everybody how do you how do you think about talking to children about

think about talking to children about

think about talking to children about what's happening it's found out anyway

what's happening it's found out anyway

what's happening it's found out anyway they're extremely well informed these

they're extremely well informed these

they're extremely well informed these days there are such times you have to be

days there are such times you have to be

days there are such times you have to be very open and honest you have to answer

very open and honest you have to answer

very open and honest you have to answer questions you have to never ever induce

questions you have to never ever induce

questions you have to never ever induce fear or uncertainty you have to say it's

fear or uncertainty you have to say it's

fear or uncertainty you have to say it's gonna be okay

gonna be okay

gonna be okay we're all in this together okay we're

we're all in this together okay we're

we're all in this together okay we're going to come through this

going to come through this

going to come through this you've got you've got to explain to them

you've got you've got to explain to them

you've got you've got to explain to them why they have to keep certain distances

why they have to keep certain distances

why they have to keep certain distances that they can't go to certain places or

that they can't go to certain places or

that they can't go to certain places or children respond to discipline when it

children respond to discipline when it

children respond to discipline when it is accompanied with explanation but I've

is accompanied with explanation but I've

is accompanied with explanation but I've never known that keeping things from

never known that keeping things from

never known that keeping things from from children is terribly helpful and

from children is terribly helpful and

from children is terribly helpful and and they're getting so much more mature

and they're getting so much more mature

and they're getting so much more mature so much earlier these days and so much

so much earlier these days and so much

so much earlier these days and so much better informed that it's better for

better informed that it's better for

better informed that it's better for them to confront their fears for you to

them to confront their fears for you to

them to confront their fears for you to confront their fears and to reassure

confront their fears and to reassure

confront their fears and to reassure them and that reassurance must be

them and that reassurance must be

them and that reassurance must be rock-solid not the slightest room for

rock-solid not the slightest room for

rock-solid not the slightest room for doubt there what happens if you don't

doubt there what happens if you don't

doubt there what happens if you don't feel rock-solid have to for their sake

feel rock-solid have to for their sake

feel rock-solid have to for their sake something about that and once you've

something about that and once you've

something about that and once you've done it you will feel rock-solid it's

done it you will feel rock-solid it's

done it you will feel rock-solid it's the way you combat fear you know when

the way you combat fear you know when

the way you combat fear you know when you have to be fearless the sake of your

you have to be fearless the sake of your

you have to be fearless the sake of your children you become fearless it's a very

children you become fearless it's a very

children you become fearless it's a very strengthening and reinforcing phenomena

strengthening and reinforcing phenomena

strengthening and reinforcing phenomena and you know at such moments families

and you know at such moments families

and you know at such moments families huddle together in very beautiful ways

huddle together in very beautiful ways

huddle together in very beautiful ways and you know I remember that but it

and you know I remember that but it

and you know I remember that but it wasn't the same in any way but when our

wasn't the same in any way but when our

wasn't the same in any way but when our kids were young we were in Israel for

kids were young we were in Israel for

kids were young we were in Israel for the whole of the first Gulf War

the whole of the first Gulf War

the whole of the first Gulf War thirty-nine Scud missiles any one of

thirty-nine Scud missiles any one of

thirty-nine Scud missiles any one of which could have contained

which could have contained

which could have contained chemical or bacterial weapons we had

chemical or bacterial weapons we had

chemical or bacterial weapons we had these very big gas masks it was very

these very big gas masks it was very

these very big gas masks it was very scary for all of them but you know he

scary for all of them but you know he

scary for all of them but you know he were very together as a family then just

were very together as a family then just

were very together as a family then just as you know the it looks like the online

as you know the it looks like the online

as you know the it looks like the online audience has been super appreciative and

audience has been super appreciative and

audience has been super appreciative and somewhat you know they've learned so

somewhat you know they've learned so

somewhat you know they've learned so much from you and there's an interesting

much from you and there's an interesting

much from you and there's an interesting question here this week get towards the

question here this week get towards the

question here this week get towards the end of this hour together a broken

end of this hour together a broken

end of this hour together a broken Beauty play in helping us manage our

Beauty play in helping us manage our

Beauty play in helping us manage our lives at this time

lives at this time

lives at this time in connecting with Beauty help us or is

in connecting with Beauty help us or is

in connecting with Beauty help us or is that a luxury when people are suffering

that a luxury when people are suffering

that a luxury when people are suffering and dying very I'm thinking I'm not a

and dying very I'm thinking I'm not a

and dying very I'm thinking I'm not a great beauty guy you know sort of fairly

great beauty guy you know sort of fairly

great beauty guy you know sort of fairly ugly sort of guy but I'm trying to

ugly sort of guy but I'm trying to

ugly sort of guy but I'm trying to wrestle with him Swan Chris I'm thinking

wrestle with him Swan Chris I'm thinking

wrestle with him Swan Chris I'm thinking you know of Rhino Maria Rilke z-- line

you know of Rhino Maria Rilke z-- line

you know of Rhino Maria Rilke z-- line in the first of the Duino elegies beauty

in the first of the Duino elegies beauty

in the first of the Duino elegies beauty is the beginning of terror that we are

is the beginning of terror that we are

is the beginning of terror that we are just able to bear so so Rilke seem to

just able to bear so so Rilke seem to

just able to bear so so Rilke seem to say that that that beauty is this side

say that that that beauty is this side

say that that that beauty is this side of fear

of fear

of fear Maimonides says that beauty is a

Maimonides says that beauty is a

Maimonides says that beauty is a wonderful antidote to anxiety and

wonderful antidote to anxiety and

wonderful antidote to anxiety and depression

depression

depression I just love bleeding for the sake of

I just love bleeding for the sake of

I just love bleeding for the sake of loving beauty but some I also believe

loving beauty but some I also believe

loving beauty but some I also believe and I don't know whether this resonates

and I don't know whether this resonates

and I don't know whether this resonates with anyone but I don't know if you've

with anyone but I don't know if you've

with anyone but I don't know if you've listened for instance the late quartets

listened for instance the late quartets

listened for instance the late quartets of Beethoven and in particular the late

of Beethoven and in particular the late

of Beethoven and in particular the late music of Schubert the last three

music of Schubert the last three

music of Schubert the last three quartets and me and the quintet and to

quartets and me and the quintet and to

quartets and me and the quintet and to me Schubert is taking pain and turning

me Schubert is taking pain and turning

me Schubert is taking pain and turning it into beauty and therefore whenever

it into beauty and therefore whenever

it into beauty and therefore whenever I'd felt pain or fear I tend to listen

I'd felt pain or fear I tend to listen

I'd felt pain or fear I tend to listen to those late Schubert quartets or the

to those late Schubert quartets or the

to those late Schubert quartets or the quintet and you takes you on this

quintet and you takes you on this

quintet and you takes you on this journey from from pain to beauty and and

journey from from pain to beauty and and

journey from from pain to beauty and and you feel transformed by the experience

you feel transformed by the experience

you feel transformed by the experience so I'm not sure if musical beauty was

so I'm not sure if musical beauty was

so I'm not sure if musical beauty was what your question I was asking about

what your question I was asking about

what your question I was asking about but Beauty is much to be recommended at

but Beauty is much to be recommended at

but Beauty is much to be recommended at such a time I mean is it is it fair to

such a time I mean is it is it fair to

such a time I mean is it is it fair to say that beauty is connected quite

say that beauty is connected quite

say that beauty is connected quite closely to two other words yearning

closely to two other words yearning

closely to two other words yearning which is in the case of music I think

which is in the case of music I think

which is in the case of music I think you outline there very eloquently that

you outline there very eloquently that

you outline there very eloquently that that feeling of this is beautiful but

that feeling of this is beautiful but

that feeling of this is beautiful but it's it's painful it's like is

it's it's painful it's like is

it's it's painful it's like is expressing a pain in me you know that

expressing a pain in me you know that

expressing a pain in me you know that that is there's a sort of almost a

that is there's a sort of almost a

that is there's a sort of almost a contradiction there that is powerful but

contradiction there that is powerful but

contradiction there that is powerful but then another word as well of gratitude

then another word as well of gratitude

then another word as well of gratitude thanks for me

thanks for me

thanks for me when you just take a moment I don't know

when you just take a moment I don't know

when you just take a moment I don't know to get outside if you can and be a piece

to get outside if you can and be a piece

to get outside if you can and be a piece of nature or see something that moment

of nature or see something that moment

of nature or see something that moment is saying oh my goodness that's

is saying oh my goodness that's

is saying oh my goodness that's beautiful oh my goodness

beautiful oh my goodness

beautiful oh my goodness now that I think about it I do have

now that I think about it I do have

now that I think about it I do have other things to be grateful for that

other things to be grateful for that

other things to be grateful for that there's some there's some sort of mental

there's some there's some sort of mental

there's some there's some sort of mental health nourishment in that can I tell

health nourishment in that can I tell

health nourishment in that can I tell you a story do we have a moment do we

you a story do we have a moment do we

you a story do we have a moment do we have time tell us tell us your story hmm

have time tell us tell us your story hmm

have time tell us tell us your story hmm this our honeymoon 50 years ago and we

this our honeymoon 50 years ago and we

this our honeymoon 50 years ago and we were a little Italian town called

were a little Italian town called

were a little Italian town called paestum has some Roman ruins but it also

paestum has some Roman ruins but it also

paestum has some Roman ruins but it also has a beach lovely beach and this

has a beach lovely beach and this

has a beach lovely beach and this glorious day and I long to go into the

glorious day and I long to go into the

glorious day and I long to go into the water except for the fact that I can't

water except for the fact that I can't

water except for the fact that I can't swim my and I was looking at the people

swim my and I was looking at the people

swim my and I was looking at the people and there were about 200 yards out but

and there were about 200 yards out but

and there were about 200 yards out but they were only up to their knees so I

they were only up to their knees so I

they were only up to their knees so I said to Elaine I'm gonna paddle out up

said to Elaine I'm gonna paddle out up

said to Elaine I'm gonna paddle out up to my knees and that'll be that so I

to my knees and that'll be that so I

to my knees and that'll be that so I paddled out up to my knees then I turned

paddled out up to my knees then I turned

paddled out up to my knees then I turned around and started coming back and

around and started coming back and

around and started coming back and suddenly I found myself out of my depth

suddenly I found myself out of my depth

suddenly I found myself out of my depth there was no one near and as I went

there was no one near and as I went

there was no one near and as I went under for the fifth time I remember

under for the fifth time I remember

under for the fifth time I remember thinking to thoughts number one what a

thinking to thoughts number one what a

thinking to thoughts number one what a way to start a honeymoon and number two

way to start a honeymoon and number two

way to start a honeymoon and number two um what's the Italian for help

damn how are others somebody must have

damn how are others somebody must have

damn how are others somebody must have seen me because somebody rescued me to

seen me because somebody rescued me to

seen me because somebody rescued me to this day I know who deposited me pretty

this day I know who deposited me pretty

this day I know who deposited me pretty much unconscious at Elaine's feet and

much unconscious at Elaine's feet and

much unconscious at Elaine's feet and that was a honey but ever since then I

that was a honey but ever since then I

that was a honey but ever since then I have said with special concentration the

have said with special concentration the

have said with special concentration the first prayer that you say in the morning

first prayer that you say in the morning

first prayer that you say in the morning before they do anything else

before they do anything else

before they do anything else modere Anila for Nava thank you God for

modere Anila for Nava thank you God for

modere Anila for Nava thank you God for giving me back my life that's what I

giving me back my life that's what I

giving me back my life that's what I feel every day the point I'm making

feel every day the point I'm making

feel every day the point I'm making though is the first word we say I'm

though is the first word we say I'm

though is the first word we say I'm waking up in the morning is more death

waking up in the morning is more death

waking up in the morning is more death thank in Judaism we thanked before we

thank in Judaism we thanked before we

thank in Judaism we thanked before we think and I commend this to everyone

think and I commend this to everyone

think and I commend this to everyone right now think of the wonderful things

right now think of the wonderful things

right now think of the wonderful things to say thank you for

to say thank you for

to say thank you for and they will lift your spirit and I'll

and they will lift your spirit and I'll

and they will lift your spirit and I'll ask one last question from a line you

ask one last question from a line you

ask one last question from a line you know you spoke of a just world could you

know you spoke of a just world could you

know you spoke of a just world could you elaborate on that what what does that

elaborate on that what what does that

elaborate on that what what does that just world look like and what steps

just world look like and what steps

just world look like and what steps maybe just one key step do get there

maybe just one key step do get there

maybe just one key step do get there well you know I my main thoughts are

well you know I my main thoughts are

well you know I my main thoughts are about individual Nations I think we

about individual Nations I think we

about individual Nations I think we really have reached the outer limits of

really have reached the outer limits of

really have reached the outer limits of inequality I don't know did you see that

inequality I don't know did you see that

inequality I don't know did you see that that South Korean film that won the

that South Korean film that won the

that South Korean film that won the Oscar what was it called parasite I

Oscar what was it called parasite I

Oscar what was it called parasite I don't know if you squawk the American

don't know if you squawk the American

don't know if you squawk the American film that had most nominations called

film that had most nominations called

film that had most nominations called the Joker

the Joker

the Joker lately different films but both of them

lately different films but both of them

lately different films but both of them cries of anger from the people who are

cries of anger from the people who are

cries of anger from the people who are left out towards the people who are at

left out towards the people who are at

left out towards the people who are at the top of society and they are violent

the top of society and they are violent

the top of society and they are violent films both of them really violent films

films both of them really violent films

films both of them really violent films and I can't imagine either of them being

and I can't imagine either of them being

and I can't imagine either of them being made in the past in quite that way there

made in the past in quite that way there

made in the past in quite that way there could have been a lot of anger in the

could have been a lot of anger in the

could have been a lot of anger in the 30s and 40s but it would have been

30s and 40s but it would have been

30s and 40s but it would have been working class solidarity type anger not

working class solidarity type anger not

working class solidarity type anger not individual revenge type anger so I think

individual revenge type anger so I think

individual revenge type anger so I think we need economic justice we cannot have

we need economic justice we cannot have

we need economic justice we cannot have X million of people in the States and

X million of people in the States and

X million of people in the States and then elsewhere outside adequate health

then elsewhere outside adequate health

then elsewhere outside adequate health service we can't have gross inequalities

service we can't have gross inequalities

service we can't have gross inequalities touch that whether whether you're Robert

touch that whether whether you're Robert

touch that whether whether you're Robert Putnam on the sort of middling left or

Putnam on the sort of middling left or

Putnam on the sort of middling left or Charles Mauri on the far right they are

Charles Mauri on the far right they are

Charles Mauri on the far right they are saying the American dream no longer

saying the American dream no longer

saying the American dream no longer plays anymore the social mobility has

plays anymore the social mobility has

plays anymore the social mobility has declined those things

declined those things

declined those things I mean Ray Dalio you remember Ray Dalio

I mean Ray Dalio you remember Ray Dalio

I mean Ray Dalio you remember Ray Dalio was we were part of the same TED

was we were part of the same TED

was we were part of the same TED Conference together

Conference together

Conference together Ray Dalio last year called income

Ray Dalio last year called income

Ray Dalio last year called income inequality in the States a national

inequality in the States a national

inequality in the States a national emergency and an existential threat to

emergency and an existential threat to

emergency and an existential threat to the future of America though it is that

the future of America though it is that

the future of America though it is that individual justice

individual justice

individual justice that I can make sense of the more global

that I can make sense of the more global

that I can make sense of the more global justice is a really difficult one

justice is a really difficult one

justice is a really difficult one because how do you reform failed and

because how do you reform failed and

because how do you reform failed and failing States how do you deal with

failing States how do you deal with

failing States how do you deal with corrupt rulers and and and essentially

corrupt rulers and and and essentially

corrupt rulers and and and essentially corrupt economies so you know for these

corrupt economies so you know for these

corrupt economies so you know for these I wish I had an answer I'd I really

I wish I had an answer I'd I really

I wish I had an answer I'd I really don't

don't

don't I've discussed them with people who

I've discussed them with people who

I've discussed them with people who should have an answer and they can you

should have an answer and they can you

should have an answer and they can you know with people from the World Bank and

know with people from the World Bank and

know with people from the World Bank and what have you and they find it very

what have you and they find it very

what have you and they find it very difficult to give me an answer so I'll

difficult to give me an answer so I'll

difficult to give me an answer so I'll settle for local national justice and

settle for local national justice and

settle for local national justice and for the rest needs a bigger brain than I

for the rest needs a bigger brain than I

for the rest needs a bigger brain than I have means you hold any hope about the

have means you hold any hope about the

have means you hold any hope about the fact that the reset we're all facing

fact that the reset we're all facing

fact that the reset we're all facing right now is so dramatic that it will

right now is so dramatic that it will

right now is so dramatic that it will force this kind of thinking the kind of

force this kind of thinking the kind of

force this kind of thinking the kind of radical rethinking that we need to do

radical rethinking that we need to do

radical rethinking that we need to do about you know and we have the time to

about you know and we have the time to

about you know and we have the time to do it and the the almost sort of the the

do it and the the almost sort of the the

do it and the the almost sort of the the absolute essential need to do it to

absolute essential need to do it to

absolute essential need to do it to rethink these things that the people

rethink these things that the people

rethink these things that the people will do it in in a million conversations

will do it in in a million conversations

will do it in in a million conversations around the world that we basically we

around the world that we basically we

around the world that we basically we reassess what really matters and the

reassess what really matters and the

reassess what really matters and the words you've just used are a powerful

words you've just used are a powerful

words you've just used are a powerful motive for up for us to do that can can

motive for up for us to do that can can

motive for up for us to do that can can this actually happen I think Chris you

this actually happen I think Chris you

this actually happen I think Chris you you yourself have a very very important

you yourself have a very very important

you yourself have a very very important platform to play as I don't think this

platform to play as I don't think this

platform to play as I don't think this is coming together will necessarily

is coming together will necessarily

is coming together will necessarily happen through conventional political

happen through conventional political

happen through conventional political avenues but it can come together through

avenues but it can come together through

avenues but it can come together through platforms like Ted it can come together

platforms like Ted it can come together

platforms like Ted it can come together through you know were World Health

through you know were World Health

through you know were World Health Organization's and scientific

Organization's and scientific

Organization's and scientific cooperation and so on the kind that that

cooperation and so on the kind that that

cooperation and so on the kind that that we are still waiting for on on climate

we are still waiting for on on climate

we are still waiting for on on climate change I think we have reached the point

change I think we have reached the point

change I think we have reached the point at which though our politics are all

at which though our politics are all

at which though our politics are all national our problems are almost all

national our problems are almost all

national our problems are almost all global and there is a big mismatch and

global and there is a big mismatch and

global and there is a big mismatch and hence I think Ted has a very very

hence I think Ted has a very very

hence I think Ted has a very very important role to play in this

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wanders and stresses and learnings through this strange era of the virus

through this strange era of the virus

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we're starting with it with 15 minutes

we're starting with it with 15 minutes from a statistician a journalist

from a statistician a journalist

from a statistician a journalist statistician data journalist on the

statistician data journalist on the

statistician data journalist on the Financial Times who's great of these

Financial Times who's great of these

Financial Times who's great of these graphs that really give an extraordinary

graphs that really give an extraordinary

graphs that really give an extraordinary understanding of how different countries

understanding of how different countries

understanding of how different countries are doing and I'm excited for him to

are doing and I'm excited for him to

are doing and I'm excited for him to share give those graphs with you into it

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to explain them and and then talk about

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the other half the other half will be a

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conversation between Ted science curator

conversation between Ted science curator David Biello

David Biello

David Biello and Sonya Shah who is also a science

and Sonya Shah who is also a science

and Sonya Shah who is also a science journalist and a communicator whose

journalist and a communicator whose

journalist and a communicator whose latest book was called pandemic

latest book was called pandemic

latest book was called pandemic published in 2017 but it's something

published in 2017 but it's something

published in 2017 but it's something that she has been studying for many

that she has been studying for many

that she has been studying for many years and so they are going to talk

years and so they are going to talk

years and so they are going to talk about some of the ways that we might

about some of the ways that we might

about some of the ways that we might come through this as well as some of the

come through this as well as some of the

come through this as well as some of the ways that we have been responding so far

ways that we have been responding so far

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