such that we do notice that effect
that you have on systems.
Because even if it's small, right,
where I take a certain action
and it completely changes an app
or it changes an experience,
maybe that helps us learn that we have
an effect in the social systems
as well that we're affecting.
So something to that effect.
BSL: So you want to make
our agency more transparent.
And do you think it does that,
because right now I'm not sure
it doesn't obfuscate our agency.
KG: No I don't necessarily know.
I agree, I mean this is why I think also
media and games is, you know,
the domain I mainly focus on.
And I think it's interesting, especially
because young people use it a lot.
And so I've heard very veteran
game developers say
how people interact with games
kind of trains kids how they
should interact with the world.
So even people who tend to be
professional players in different games
have different psychological profiles
because they bias towards certain ways
of interacting and seeing the world.
The same way, I guess, if you trained
in something academic, right,