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Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Morton Bast

I grew up watching Star Trek. I love Star Trek.

Star Trek made me want to see alien creatures,

creatures from a far-distant world.

But basically, I figured out that I could find

those alien creatures right on Earth.

And what I do is I study insects.

I'm obsessed with insects, particularly insect flight.

I think the evolution of insect flight is perhaps

one of the most important events in the history of life.

Without insects, there'd be no flowering plants.

Without flowering plants, there would be no

clever, fruit-eating primates giving TED Talks.

(Laughter)

Now,

David and Hidehiko and Ketaki

gave a very compelling story about

the similarities between fruit flies and humans,

and there are many similarities,

and so you might think that if humans are similar to fruit flies,

the favorite behavior of a fruit fly might be this, for example --

(Laughter)

but in my talk, I don't want to emphasize on the similarities

between humans and fruit flies, but rather the differences,

and focus on the behaviors that I think fruit flies excel at doing.

And so I want to show you a high-speed video sequence

of a fly shot at 7,000 frames per second in infrared lighting,

and to the right, off-screen, is an electronic looming predator

that is going to go at the fly.

The fly is going to sense this predator.

It is going to extend its legs out.

It's going to sashay away

to live to fly another day.

Now I have carefully cropped this sequence

to be exactly the duration of a human eye blink,

so in the time that it would take you to blink your eye,

the fly has seen this looming predator,

estimated its position, initiated a motor pattern to fly it away,

beating its wings at 220 times a second as it does so.

I think this is a fascinating behavior

that shows how fast the fly's brain can process information.

Now, flight -- what does it take to fly?

Well, in order to fly, just as in a human aircraft,

you need wings that can generate sufficient aerodynamic forces,

you need an engine sufficient to generate the power required for flight,

and you need a controller,

and in the first human aircraft, the controller was basically

the brain of Orville and Wilbur sitting in the cockpit.

Now, how does this compare to a fly?

Well, I spent a lot of my early career trying to figure out

how insect wings generate enough force to keep the flies in the air.

And you might have heard how engineers proved

that bumblebees couldn't fly.

Well, the problem was in thinking that the insect wings

function in the way that aircraft wings work. But they don't.

And we tackle this problem by building giant,

dynamically scaled model robot insects

that would flap in giant pools of mineral oil

where we could study the aerodynamic forces.

And it turns out that the insects flap their wings

in a very clever way, at a very high angle of attack

that creates a structure at the leading edge of the wing,

a little tornado-like structure called a leading edge vortex,

and it's that vortex that actually enables the wings

to make enough force for the animal to stay in the air.

But the thing that's actually most -- so, what's fascinating

is not so much that the wing has some interesting morphology.

What's clever is the way the fly flaps it,

which of course ultimately is controlled by the nervous system,

and this is what enables flies to perform

these remarkable aerial maneuvers.

Now, what about the engine?

The engine of the fly is absolutely fascinating.

They have two types of flight muscle:

so-called power muscle, which is stretch-activated,

which means that it activates itself and does not need to be controlled

on a contraction-by-contraction basis by the nervous system.

It's specialized to generate the enormous power required for flight,

and it fills the middle portion of the fly,

so when a fly hits your windshield,

it's basically the power muscle that you're looking at.

But attached to the base of the wing

is a set of little, tiny control muscles

that are not very powerful at all, but they're very fast,

and they're able to reconfigure the hinge of the wing

on a stroke-by-stroke basis,

and this is what enables the fly to change its wing

and generate the changes in aerodynamic forces

which change its flight trajectory.

And of course, the role of the nervous system is to control all this.

So let's look at the controller.

Now flies excel in the sorts of sensors

that they carry to this problem.

They have antennae that sense odors and detect wind detection.

They have a sophisticated eye which is

the fastest visual system on the planet.

They have another set of eyes on the top of their head.

We have no idea what they do.

They have sensors on their wing.

Their wing is covered with sensors, including sensors

that sense deformation of the wing.

They can even taste with their wings.

One of the most sophisticated sensors a fly has

is a structure called the halteres.

The halteres are actually gyroscopes.

These devices beat back and forth about 200 hertz during flight,

and the animal can use them to sense its body rotation

and initiate very, very fast corrective maneuvers.

But all of this sensory information has to be processed

by a brain, and yes, indeed, flies have a brain,

a brain of about 100,000 neurons.

Now several people at this conference

have already suggested that fruit flies could serve neuroscience

because they're a simple model of brain function.

And the basic punchline of my talk is,

I'd like to turn that over on its head.

I don't think they're a simple model of anything.

And I think that flies are a great model.

They're a great model for flies.

(Laughter)

And let's explore this notion of simplicity.

So I think, unfortunately, a lot of neuroscientists,

we're all somewhat narcissistic.

When we think of brain, we of course imagine our own brain.

But remember that this kind of brain,

which is much, much smaller

— instead of 100 billion neurons, it has 100,000 neurons —

but this is the most common form of brain on the planet

and has been for 400 million years.

And is it fair to say that it's simple?

Well, it's simple in the sense that it has fewer neurons,

but is that a fair metric?

And I would propose it's not a fair metric.

So let's sort of think about this. I think we have to compare --

(Laughter) —

we have to compare the size of the brain

with what the brain can do.

So I propose we have a Trump number,

and the Trump number is the ratio of this man's

behavioral repertoire to the number of neurons in his brain.

We'll calculate the Trump number for the fruit fly.

Now, how many people here think the Trump number

is higher for the fruit fly?

(Applause)

It's a very smart, smart audience.

Yes, the inequality goes in this direction, or I would posit it.

Now I realize that it is a little bit absurd

to compare the behavioral repertoire of a human to a fly.

But let's take another animal just as an example. Here's a mouse.

A mouse has about 1,000 times as many neurons as a fly.

I used to study mice. When I studied mice,

I used to talk really slowly.

And then something happened when I started to work on flies.

(Laughter)

And I think if you compare the natural history of flies and mice,

it's really comparable. They have to forage for food.

They have to engage in courtship.

They have sex. They hide from predators.

They do a lot of the similar things.

But I would argue that flies do more.

So for example, I'm going to show you a sequence,

and I have to say, some of my funding comes from the military,

so I'm showing this classified sequence

and you cannot discuss it outside of this room. Okay?

So I want you to look at the payload

at the tail of the fruit fly.

Watch it very closely,

and you'll see why my six-year-old son

now wants to be a neuroscientist.

Wait for it.

Pshhew.

So at least you'll admit that if fruit flies are not as clever as mice,

they're at least as clever as pigeons. (Laughter)

Now, I want to get across that it's not just a matter of numbers

but also the challenge for a fly to compute

everything its brain has to compute with such tiny neurons.

So this is a beautiful image of a visual interneuron from a mouse

that came from Jeff Lichtman's lab,

and you can see the wonderful images of brains

that he showed in his talk.

But up in the corner, in the right corner, you'll see,

at the same scale, a visual interneuron from a fly.

And I'll expand this up.

And it's a beautifully complex neuron.

It's just very, very tiny, and there's lots of biophysical challenges

with trying to compute information with tiny, tiny neurons.

How small can neurons get? Well, look at this interesting insect.

It looks sort of like a fly. It has wings, it has eyes,

it has antennae, its legs, complicated life history,

it's a parasite, it has to fly around and find caterpillars

to parasatize,

but not only is its brain the size of a salt grain,

which is comparable for a fruit fly,

it is the size of a salt grain.

So here's some other organisms at the similar scale.

This animal is the size of a paramecium and an amoeba,

and it has a brain of 7,000 neurons that's so small --

you know these things called cell bodies you've been hearing about,

where the nucleus of the neuron is?

This animal gets rid of them because they take up too much space.

So this is a session on frontiers in neuroscience.

I would posit that one frontier in neuroscience is to figure out how the brain of that thing works.

But let's think about this. How can you make a small number of neurons do a lot?

And I think, from an engineering perspective,

you think of multiplexing.

You can take a hardware and have that hardware

do different things at different times,

or have different parts of the hardware doing different things.

And these are the two concepts I'd like to explore.

And they're not concepts that I've come up with,

but concepts that have been proposed by others in the past.

And one idea comes from lessons from chewing crabs.

And I don't mean chewing the crabs.

I grew up in Baltimore, and I chew crabs very, very well.

But I'm talking about the crabs actually doing the chewing.

Crab chewing is actually really fascinating.

Crabs have this complicated structure under their carapace

called the gastric mill

that grinds their food in a variety of different ways.

And here's an endoscopic movie of this structure.

The amazing thing about this is that it's controlled

by a really tiny set of neurons, about two dozen neurons

that can produce a vast variety of different motor patterns,

and the reason it can do this is that this little tiny ganglion

in the crab is actually inundated by many, many neuromodulators.

You heard about neuromodulators earlier.

There are more neuromodulators

that alter, that innervate this structure than actually neurons in the structure,

and they're able to generate a complicated set of patterns.

And this is the work by Eve Marder and her many colleagues

who've been studying this fascinating system

that show how a smaller cluster of neurons

can do many, many, many things

because of neuromodulation that can take place on a moment-by-moment basis.

So this is basically multiplexing in time.

Imagine a network of neurons with one neuromodulator.

You select one set of cells to perform one sort of behavior,

another neuromodulator, another set of cells,

a different pattern, and you can imagine

you could extrapolate to a very, very complicated system.

Is there any evidence that flies do this?

Well, for many years in my laboratory and other laboratories around the world,

we've been studying fly behaviors in little flight simulators.

You can tether a fly to a little stick.

You can measure the aerodynamic forces it's creating.

You can let the fly play a little video game

by letting it fly around in a visual display.

So let me show you a little tiny sequence of this.

Here's a fly

and a large infrared view of the fly in the flight simulator,

and this is a game the flies love to play.

You allow them to steer towards the little stripe,

and they'll just steer towards that stripe forever.

It's part of their visual guidance system.

But very, very recently, it's been possible

to modify these sorts of behavioral arenas for physiologies.

So this is the preparation that one of my former post-docs,

Gaby Maimon, who's now at Rockefeller, developed,

and it's basically a flight simulator

but under conditions where you actually can stick an electrode

in the brain of the fly and record

from a genetically identified neuron in the fly's brain.

And this is what one of these experiments looks like.

It was a sequence taken from another post-doc in the lab,

Bettina Schnell.

The green trace at the bottom is the membrane potential

of a neuron in the fly's brain,

and you'll see the fly start to fly, and the fly is actually

controlling the rotation of that visual pattern itself

by its own wing motion,

and you can see this visual interneuron

respond to the pattern of wing motion as the fly flies.

So for the first time we've actually been able to record

from neurons in the fly's brain while the fly

is performing sophisticated behaviors such as flight.

And one of the lessons we've been learning

is that the physiology of cells that we've been studying

for many years in quiescent flies

is not the same as the physiology of those cells

when the flies actually engage in active behaviors

like flying and walking and so forth.

And why is the physiology different?

Well it turns out it's these neuromodulators,

just like the neuromodulators in that little tiny ganglion in the crabs.

So here's a picture of the octopamine system.

Octopamine is a neuromodulator

that seems to play an important role in flight and other behaviors.

But this is just one of many neuromodulators

that's in the fly's brain.

So I really think that, as we learn more,

it's going to turn out that the whole fly brain

is just like a large version of this stomatogastric ganglion,

and that's one of the reasons why it can do so much with so few neurons.

Now, another idea, another way of multiplexing

is multiplexing in space,

having different parts of a neuron

do different things at the same time.

So here's two sort of canonical neurons

from a vertebrate and an invertebrate,

a human pyramidal neuron from Ramon y Cajal,

and another cell to the right, a non-spiking interneuron,

and this is the work of Alan Watson and Malcolm Burrows many years ago,

and Malcolm Burrows came up with a pretty interesting idea

based on the fact that this neuron from a locust

does not fire action potentials.

It's a non-spiking cell.

So a typical cell, like the neurons in our brain,

has a region called the dendrites that receives input,

and that input sums together

and will produce action potentials

that run down the axon and then activate

all the output regions of the neuron.

But non-spiking neurons are actually quite complicated

because they can have input synapses and output synapses

all interdigitated, and there's no single action potential

that drives all the outputs at the same time.

So there's a possibility that you have computational compartments

that allow the different parts of the neuron

to do different things at the same time.

So these basic concepts of multitasking in time

and multitasking in space,

I think these are things that are true in our brains as well,

but I think the insects are the true masters of this.

So I hope you think of insects a little bit differently next time,

and as I say up here, please think before you swat.

(Applause)